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Are we setting ourselves up for eternal wet dog hell? (Golden Retriever question)

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KittensAtTheGates · 06/11/2023 19:33

DH and I are about to move out of the city and are toying with the idea of getting a dog. We are buying a house about a 300-yard walk from a large lake. It’s our absolute dream location as we both love water sports. The plan would be to start most mornings from May to October with a 40-minute swim or a bit of standup paddle-boarding before work (we both mostly work from home). Ideally, the dog would be in the water with us so everybody’s morning exercise would be taken care of. This would obviously require a water-crazy kind of dog, so a GR seems perfect and there are of course many more reasons to love the breed.

The one thing I’m slightly worried about, though, is that all the lovely walks near our future house are also close to the water or through bog land. I can deal with a wet dog once a day, but would most GRs take another bath at every opportunity they get? I have visions of coming home with a soaking, muddy, stinky dog about three times a day. I’ve heard that quite a few GRs play completely deaf once they see as much as a puddle. Is this just a lack of reliable recall issue or can you really not train them to only go into the water with permission? Also, how long do they take to dry?

Sorry for the ignorant questions. I grew up with dogs, but they all had very short coats and weren’t massively keen on water anyways.

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Wolfiefan · 06/11/2023 21:12

I’m not sure how it would work with you swimming for 40 mins. Are you expecting the dog to swim alongside whilst you’re front crawling or kind of expecting it to play in the shallows as you’re head up breast stroke? You need to be able to watch your dog and intervene if needed (other people, dogs or it does a poo or eats or rolls in something grim!)

Citygirlrurallife · 06/11/2023 21:15

Mine also isn’t a swimmer, he’ll paddle in every puddle and will dip his toes in the sea but he’s far from a swimmer and doesn’t roll in mud or puddles

to be honest I find that the mud and water comes off very easily, quick towels down and if he sleeps in a blanket it all just comes off and I Personally think better having a light dog that you can see is dirty….we went in a long walk with our friends and their black lab and DH was giving both dogs a stroke but did t realise the black lab was covered in fox poo 🤮

you can also find them in the dark which is handy

i didn’t grow up with dogs and don’t really like them generally but fucking hell I LOVE my golden retriever….

muddyford · 06/11/2023 21:15

I have always had black Labradors and they more or less wipe clean then rub a bit with a towel. My springer spaniel needs a thorough wash and dry before his Ruff and Tumble drying robe goes on.

needtonamechangeforthis1 · 06/11/2023 21:17

If you go ahead I would make sure that you have a good outdoor washing set up for when ddog comes back from walks.
Plus having easily cleaned floors and beds for them. I have labs and I bring them to the back door. Shower them off and then they are shut either in the garden or in the kitchen until they are dry.

Objectrelations · 06/11/2023 21:39

I have poodles - also water dogs - and you can keep their hair short !!

Haveyouseenthemuffinman · 06/11/2023 21:43

I knew a golden retriever household where the owners put in an outside shower with hot and cold water…

BeadedBubbles · 06/11/2023 21:52

If you're in the UK you do need to be ultra careful about blue-green algae which seems to be on the rise. I've know of dogs dying in the south west and south east from this. And I believe Lake Windermere is full of it. Even if your lake doesn't have it now there's no saying it won't develop there. A dog near us died from licking a dead fish on the lake bank.

Labs spending a long time in water can develop limber tail which causes their tail to hang limp and, although temporary, can be very upsetting for them (at least it has been for two of mine!)

Another thing to watch for with a lab that loves water is that this can make them prone to ear infections. One of ours would happily go right under and pootle around on the river bed. Moisture trapped in their floppy ears creates a perfect environment for infections. Infections then cause them to shake their ears from side to side and this can burst small blood vessels which cause their ear to swell. This then needs an op. If you leave it the ear can become misshapen (cauliflower ear). And scar tissue narrows the ear canal which makes them even more prone to infections.

BeadedBubbles · 06/11/2023 21:52

Not trying to put you off though!

margotrose · 06/11/2023 22:09

I walk a golden retriever and if I don't keep him on the lead, he will run straight to any body of water no matter how stinking or stagnant, and just jump right in.

His recall is great the rest of the time Wink

KittensAtTheGates · 06/11/2023 22:16

I’m not sure how it would work with you swimming for 40 mins. Are you expecting the dog to swim alongside whilst you’re front crawling or kind of expecting it to play in the shallows as you’re head up breast stroke? You need to be able to watch your dog and intervene if needed (other people, dogs or it does a poo or eats or rolls in something grim!)

I’m not sure either, but read about a GR that competed in a swimming race, swam 1.2 miles from Alcatraz to the SF shoreline and placed 72 out of 500 (everyone else was human). So theoretically it should be possible to have a fit GR (probably not show line) swimming alongside you. I’m a strong, but not super fast swimmer, so probably a fair bit slower than anyone taking part in a race. Of course, this would only be an option if the dog enjoys swimming (and not all GRs do, as evidenced by several posters on here). No problem if doesn’t work out, just seemed like a fun thing to do with a water-loving dog. Swimming is also gentle on the joints which would be a plus for any larger / heavier breed. We’re not in the UK and the water temperature in said lake would be around 17-18 degrees in May and October and 21-23 in the summer, so hopefully warm enough for a longer stint in the water.

Just managed to find the article again: https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/san-francisco-ruff-crossing-alcatraz-swim-a-2651559.php

I personally think better have a light dog that you can see is dirty….we went on a long walk with our friends and their black lab and DH was giving both dogs a stroke but did t realise the black lab was covered in fox poo 🤮

Good point, it may be better to know what you’re dealing with so you can at least prevent them from jumping on the sofa covered in some invisible muck. My DH also insists that any potential dog must have ‘a light face’ because apparently that makes them look ‘friendlier’. He’s never had a dog and isn’t a natural with them, but has been absolutely charmed by the neighbours' GR.

If you go ahead I would make sure that you have a good outdoor washing set up for when ddog comes back from walks.
Plus having easily cleaned floors and beds for them. I have labs and I bring them to the back door. Shower them off and then they are shut either in the garden or in the kitchen until they are dry.

Yes, that sounds like very good advice. The floors will all be hardwood and tile with just a few rugs, so easy enough to clean. An outside shower with hot and cold water would certainly be very handy and should be very doable, I’ll look into that. I’d probably put a dog bed in the utility room so they can dry off for a bit in there before being let loose on the rest of the house.

If you're in the UK you do need to be ultra careful about blue-green algae which seems to be on the rise. I've know of dogs dying in the south west and south east from this. And I believe Lake Windermere is full of it. Even if your lake doesn't have it now there's no saying it won't develop there. A dog near us died from licking a dead fish on the lake bank.

Labs spending a long time in water can develop limber tail which causes their tail to hang limp and, although temporary, can be very upsetting for them (at least it has been for two of mine!)

Another thing to watch for with a lab that loves water is that this can make them prone to ear infections. One of ours would happily go right under and pootle around on the river bed. Moisture trapped in their floppy ears creates a perfect environment for infections. Infections then cause them to shake their ears from side to side and this can burst small blood vessels which cause their ear to swell. This then needs an op. If you leave it the ear can become misshapen (cauliflower ear). And scar tissue narrows the ear canal which makes them even more prone to infections.

Thank you, BeadedBubbles, lots of excellent advice there. I knew about cauliflower ear but hadn’t heard of timber tail. Poor babies, sounds really unpleasant, so very good to know.
We’re in Continental Europe fairly close to the Alps. So far, blue-green algae only seems to be a relatively rare problem in very few smaller lakes. Whenever a case does occur, you’ll hear about it in the media and there’ll be warning signs everywhere near the shore. Thankfully the regional governments over here are extremely hot on constantly testing water quality in all the lakes, so hopefully, the risk would be low. But better safe than sorry!

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KittensAtTheGates · 06/11/2023 22:19

I walk a golden retriever and if I don't keep him on the lead, he will run straight to any body of water no matter how stinking or stagnant, and just jump right in.

His recall is great the rest of the time

I always thought it was probably a badly-trained dog problem and owners excusing less than optimal recall with their GR's love of water, but judging from all the posts on here, even many well-trained ones really do play deaf if they see a chance to have a bath.

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GSDx3 · 06/11/2023 23:17

Please be careful of opting for a working line over a show line GR, OP. I see you mentioned perhaps not a show. I don’t mean to be negative at all but they can be night and day to a 1st time owner; the working GRs I know (including the foster that’s stayed here 🙈) are as demanding as my collie is for work. She’s quite a highly strung girl and ended up in rescue for resource guarding and redirection aggression. She is very easily frustrated and needs a pretty much full time job to keep her chill.

margotrose · 07/11/2023 06:11

KittensAtTheGates · 06/11/2023 22:19

I walk a golden retriever and if I don't keep him on the lead, he will run straight to any body of water no matter how stinking or stagnant, and just jump right in.

His recall is great the rest of the time

I always thought it was probably a badly-trained dog problem and owners excusing less than optimal recall with their GR's love of water, but judging from all the posts on here, even many well-trained ones really do play deaf if they see a chance to have a bath.

The only way to keep them out of water in my experience is to keep them on lead if they're even within sniffing distance of it.

It's a breed "thing" and generally very difficult to train them out of it.

PosyPrettyToes · 07/11/2023 06:15

I mean, a Labrador is basically just a short coated GR - they have the same types of temperament and behaviours. The only real difference is the floof. Can you introduce your DH to some labs?

Pewpewbarneymcgrew · 07/11/2023 06:57

They are the best dogs op

EdithStourton · 07/11/2023 06:59

The working line GRs I know are much more lively than the show, deeper gold in colour, slimmer built and less hairy. If you're prepared to give them some brain-work to give an outlet for the working drive - and also make it clear to the breeder that you're not looking for a dog to work so you (hopefully) get a less amped puppy, it could be a good fit.

But as pp says worker and show are vv different

KittensAtTheGates · 07/11/2023 07:20

Please be careful of opting for a working line over a show line GR, OP. I see you mentioned perhaps not a show. I don’t mean to be negative at all but they can be night and day to a 1st time owner; the working GRs I know (including the foster that’s stayed here 🙈) are as demanding as my collie is for work.

Yes, we would certainly go for all-purpose rather than working line. From what I understand, this is what most breeders (at least over here) have settled on anyways and should be a happy medium. For aesthetic and health reasons, I prefer a sportier, slimmer dog over the quite heavy-set, short-legged type that many show line GRs seem to be. The slightly slimmer appearance is also why I would prefer a GR over a beige Lab, even though a Lab would probably be a bit less work and definitely dry a lot quicker. My childhood (rescue) dogs were all long-legged and delicate-looking Segugio Italiano, whippet and Irish Setter mixes which has probably influenced my preference for a lighter build somewhat. Even a slim GR will of course be a lot chunkier than that and that’s fine and part of their fluffy goofball charm, but I’d still favour the less plump end of the scale.

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smilesup · 07/11/2023 07:29

They are a lovely breed but shed like nothing else..we had a rescue GR who was incredibly hairy compared to our other dogs. They are also prone to quite. Few genetic issues like skin cancer and hip dysplasia. Mine also would not have happily swum by us but would try and clamber on us whilst swimming. It was daft as a brush though!

CamperConundrum · 07/11/2023 07:35

The slightly slimmer appearance is also why I would prefer a GR over a beige Lab

It sounds like you've only ever met fat labs. A dual purpose lab would be a similar build to a dual purpose golden retriever. If anything, lack of floof would make the lab look slimmer.

KittensAtTheGates · 07/11/2023 07:58

It sounds like you've only ever met fat labs. A dual purpose lab would be a similar build to a dual purpose golden retriever. If anything, lack of floof would make the lab look slimmer.

You’re right, I’ve indeed met many more fat than normal weight Labs. But even the slim ones seemed to have broader heads with stronger, shorter jawlines and a more muscular build. Labs are also absolutely gorgeous dogs, but in my personal opinion, GRs just have the cutest (slightly more refined looking?) faces, even though I'd otherwise prefer a little less floof.

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MaloneMeadow · 07/11/2023 10:48

Our retriever is needing daily baths at the minute pretty much after every walk! Any puddle/ body of water/ mud she sees and she’s straight in for a swim or roll - she’s like a magnet for it!! She’s never happier than when she’s completely filthy - Half the time she comes home brown instead of golden.. If you value a clean house then they’re definitely not the breed for you

margotrose · 07/11/2023 11:32

MaloneMeadow · 07/11/2023 10:48

Our retriever is needing daily baths at the minute pretty much after every walk! Any puddle/ body of water/ mud she sees and she’s straight in for a swim or roll - she’s like a magnet for it!! She’s never happier than when she’s completely filthy - Half the time she comes home brown instead of golden.. If you value a clean house then they’re definitely not the breed for you

Edited

In fairness I think all dogs come home filthy at this time of year Grin

But yes, a golden retriever is much harder to clean and dry than say, a beagle or a dachshund!

solvendie · 07/11/2023 22:24

Our GR is a working/show cross and he never smells. Loves water but his coat isn’t as dense as some and dirt dries and brushes out

EDIT: his paws smell of biscuits :-)

Are we setting ourselves up for eternal wet dog hell? (Golden Retriever question)
Dhama · 07/11/2023 22:30

This thread 😍

My goldie is a complete loon when it comes to water, the muckier the better 😂 I wouldn’t change him for the world!

exerciseviligance · 08/11/2023 05:43

Short answer - yes. I had a retriever that loved water and couldn't even resist a puddle to lie in.

We used a mud daddy followed by a drying coat.