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Nexguard Spectra

17 replies

Peasnotomatoes · 05/11/2023 14:20

I use Nexguard Spectra monthly for my dog. I'm confused with what I read and hear. Is something changing next year with respect to its availability? In which case, is there something I should be doing now to make sure I have enough for the coming months?

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8Ash · 05/11/2023 16:27

Why, what have you read/heard?

Mine is also on NexGard Spectra and I haven't heard anything in regards to availability issues. Can't see anything online either.

Sunny192 · 05/11/2023 16:42

My dog also on this and I haven't heard anything about it changing

Toomanycaketins · 05/11/2023 16:43

It is a prescription medicine so you will not be able to stockpile it.

I wonder if what you have heard is regarding the new “under care” rules for parasite treatments which vets have to abide by, they will be fully implemented in January. It will mean that they have to see your dog for an in person appointment in order to prescribe parasite treatment for the next 6/12m (although this can often be combined with a visit for a booster or other routine visit). It is unlikely to have a massive effect on clients but does mean a big increase in workload for vets.

If it did become unavailable for any reason there are other products which can be prescribed to give the same level of cover, so I really wouldn’t worry.

Peasnotomatoes · 05/11/2023 17:44

Toomanycaketins · 05/11/2023 16:43

It is a prescription medicine so you will not be able to stockpile it.

I wonder if what you have heard is regarding the new “under care” rules for parasite treatments which vets have to abide by, they will be fully implemented in January. It will mean that they have to see your dog for an in person appointment in order to prescribe parasite treatment for the next 6/12m (although this can often be combined with a visit for a booster or other routine visit). It is unlikely to have a massive effect on clients but does mean a big increase in workload for vets.

If it did become unavailable for any reason there are other products which can be prescribed to give the same level of cover, so I really wouldn’t worry.

Ah this would make sense, thank you @Toomanycaketins

I overheard the receptionist at the vets giving someone advice, saying the vet could write a prescription and they could get it online in bulk but suggested they do it before the end of the year.

I went online and saw lots of discussion about side effects but nothing stating that anything would change with respect to availability. Wondered if I was missing something.

Glad to see I'm not. Sorry to panic everyone!!!

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HeathrowQuestion · 05/11/2023 17:48

Ask ally, the net effect seems to be making it more expensive…. Before I could get 6 month scripts and now it is only for 3 months, meaning more regular consults and more regular postal charges and orders. Gah.

HeathrowQuestion · 05/11/2023 17:49

Ask ally?? No idea what that was about

HeathrowQuestion · 05/11/2023 17:51

There is a whole world of (quasi, I know this is not a vaccine) dog anti vaxxers out there who think these drugs are satan and killing our pets… so stay away from that world of madness. This is just to do with prescribing rules.

newusername763849 · 05/11/2023 20:36

HeathrowQuestion · 05/11/2023 17:51

There is a whole world of (quasi, I know this is not a vaccine) dog anti vaxxers out there who think these drugs are satan and killing our pets… so stay away from that world of madness. This is just to do with prescribing rules.

I found this when I asked about nexgard spectra in a dog Facebook group. I was surprised at how much it cost at my UK vet vs in my home country and wanted to check I wasn't being overcharged here. While I got one or two helpful answers, most of them couldn't wait to tell me how it'd kill/paralyze/etc. my dog... anyway, thank you for clarifying as it definitely spooked me a bit (not enough to stop using it, though).

Peasnotomatoes · 05/11/2023 21:03

Thank you. Yes agree it's a bit of a rabbit hole. That's why I was a little spooked by it all!

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HeathrowQuestion · 05/11/2023 21:15

I had exactly the same experience in a Facebook breed-specific group and promptly left. Passing straight by the vets for an effective preventive for French heartworm/ angiostrongylus vasorum on the way ;)

thorneyislanddoris · 05/11/2023 21:22

I overheard the receptionist at the vets giving someone advice, saying the vet could write a prescription and they could get it online in bulk but suggested they do it before the end of the year.

Yes that's to do with the new under care rules. From January the vet would need to see the dog before doing the prescription.

IngGenius · 05/11/2023 21:43

Just to be a pendant.

Non of the flea and worming treatment prevents fleas or worms.

They treat the dog if they get fleas or worms.

So if you are giving monthly wormers a large percentage of the time your dog will not have worms and they are unnecessary.

Personal choice but I have worm counted for over 15 years multiple dogs and in that time only once did any of the dogs actually have worms. A 1 year old dog who got fox lung worm - he was treated with wormers and has not had any worms since.
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HeathrowQuestion · 05/11/2023 23:38

What about tick borne diseases though? They can’t be worm counted for, and neither can angiostrongylus.

IngGenius · 06/11/2023 08:20

I agree that ticks are not covered but it is only the seresto collar that may be a preventative although not that affective at doing this. All other treatments allow the ticks to attach and they then fall off in 24 hours. So if you check your dog you can get the same cover. If you want to.

Angiostrongylus. is lungworm that is covered in the UK by wormcounts

IngGenius · 06/11/2023 08:23

The environmental impact of monthly treatments is huge. The chemicals have to get stronger and stronger as the worms, fleas get resistant to the chemicals.

Even BVMA are not advising caution on the automatic treatment of monthly parasiticides

Responsible use of parasiticides for dogs

https://www.bva.co.uk/media/4352/bva-bsava-and-bvzs-policy-position-on-responsible-use-of-parasiticides-for-cats-and-dogs.pdf

Toomanycaketins · 08/11/2023 07:57

Products like nexgard spectra are marketed for the convenience aspect. Owners struggle to remember dose intervals for different parasites and don’t like dosing multiple things. Because of this blanket use, most people are not aware of what is being treated and why or what the risk factors are for their pet or in their area.

canine and feline roundworm is a public health risk (it causes blindness in ~7 children per year and is increasingly being linked to learning difficulties). The eggs and infective larval stages that dogs and cats shed are not visible by eye. All pets should be wormed 3 monthly (monthly if direct contact with children ideally as this stops egg shedding all together).

fleas are annoying, can cause skin disease and anaemia in debilitated animals and are also very hard to get rid of once established in a household so most people want blanket cover for this.

ticks are hard to spot on an animal when they first attach, it is much better if they die or are removed within the first 24h, it is at the end of the feed (when they are big) that they are most likely to pass on infection such as lymes.

lungworm is relatively rare, but can be rapidly fatal in some cases.

you can’t blame people for choosing to use these blanket products for animals that live in their homes/sleep in their beds etc. I do think defra need to be looking more closely at pet parasitics with regard to the environment (but also bear in mind the widespread use of much stronger products on livestock which are non prescription and can be picked up from an agricultural merchant)

IngGenius · 08/11/2023 08:36

Defra have studied and looked at the environmental impact as have BVMA hence the advice changing over the last few years not to just treat every month.

OTC non prescription products no longer work on fleas or worms - again proving the point that we need to use the products carefully and when needed

Lungworm is very very easy to treat if it is known the dog has it hence the need for wormcounting. Interesting I had a foster dog that had lungworm and had been on monthly wormers and still got lungworm. It was only through wormcounting that we were aware and then changed the treatment to kil the specific lungworm infestation.

Run a lint roller over a dog with a long coat and the ticks will stick to this and not attach to the dog. A daily inspection of a dogs coat is a sensible thing to do for many reasons and takes seconds.

Good grooming will show up fleas and wormcount also helps for this as a dog with tapeworms is likely to have fleas. So you are not going blind on the flea issue.

Wormcount will pick up any roundworm and then treat as required. Remember the wormers do not prevent worms they kill them when the dog has them. So a dog on monthly worm treatment will still have worms but then they will be killed by the treatment.

Wormcount will set up reminders and post you your kit when it needs to be done. It really is no more effort than giving them medication.

However change is a very hard thing for humans to do but the environment needs us to change

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