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My dog is out of control

19 replies

Mumeries · 05/11/2023 14:11

I will admit I didn’t realise that having any dog would be so hard. She is a chihuahua and wasn’t socialised whilst young. I now can’t take her anywhere because she is so afraid of everyone that she will go for them. If I try to hold onto her she will fight ME to get to drop her so she can go for them. She is very aggressive and will probably end up getting put down. In the garden all she will do is bark whenever she sees anyone even if they’re on the other end of the street. Inside all she does is bark at the window and give me another headache.

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margotrose · 05/11/2023 15:52

She needs the help of a behaviourist - you'll need to make an appointment with the vet to get her checked over first and then they'll be able to refer you.

LoneFemaleTraveller · 05/11/2023 15:53

What training has she had?

RedDawg · 05/11/2023 15:56

Do you have Netflix? There are several series of dogs behaving badly, hopefully you could find some help from these.

Pheckwittageisms · 05/11/2023 20:27

Have a look at the “Dog training advice and support page” on Facebook (make sure it’s the site with the picture of their book at the top so you find the right one). It’s an admin only page run by science based trainers and behaviourists. There are certain compulsory guides to read but they post and answer concerns and there will be loads of quality evidence based advice on there you can access for free. There is also a guide to finding a behaviourist on there.

There’s so much shockingly outdated advice out there but this is is a good reliable place to start.

sleepyscientist · 05/11/2023 20:30

Stop taking her out for now and see a vet ASAP . Please don't put her to sleep even if she bites you she tiny. If you can't handle her a breed specific rescue might be able to rehome her to someone happy to keep her home away from strangers

Sethos · 05/11/2023 20:31

RedDawg · 05/11/2023 15:56

Do you have Netflix? There are several series of dogs behaving badly, hopefully you could find some help from these.

Dear god. Please don’t do this!

Frequency · 05/11/2023 20:32

Don't pick her up. That is teaching her there is something to be scared of. Get a behaviourist and follow their advice.

BAT (Behaviour Adjustment Therapy) is a good method to try. It's easy to follow but as you feel it's now gotten to the stage where she needs euthanising I would strongly advise a behaviourist rather than going it alone. Mistakes in positive training are not damaging like they are with aversive training but they slow progress down.

Frequency · 05/11/2023 20:41

And if you really feel all hope is lost even after seeing a behaviourist I would second the advice to contact a breed-specific rescue. My daughter is a chihuahua lover/collector and when I read her your post her immediate response was "OMG! Fulltime gremlin mode! I NEED that chihuahua. It sounds adorable." which proves there are homes out there for dogs like that (but not ours. Two chihuahuas is enough chihuahuas for DD's collection)

Iheartpizza · 06/11/2023 09:45

sleepyscientist · 05/11/2023 20:30

Stop taking her out for now and see a vet ASAP . Please don't put her to sleep even if she bites you she tiny. If you can't handle her a breed specific rescue might be able to rehome her to someone happy to keep her home away from strangers

I don't agree that she shouldn't be PTS just because she's tiny. She still has the capability to deliver a nasty bite, especially if she goes for the face.

Look bottom line is that she's currently very unstable and clearly extremely anxious. I wouldn't immediately suggest that you PTS, but you need to find an experienced behaviourist. Please be careful as there are a lot of people masquerading as animal behaviourists who frankly have no clue so you really need to do your homework and choose carefully.

How old is she? What is her background?

Frequency · 06/11/2023 10:06

I don't agree that she shouldn't be PTS just because she's tiny. She still has the capability to deliver a nasty bite, especially if she goes for the face.

I'm not sure where this assertion that Chihuahuas can cause actual damage comes from.

Have you seen the size of a Chi's mouth?

One of DD's Chis hates having her nails cut. DD asked me to help hold her once while she was having them done. She bit down on my thumb so hard she was physically shaking from the effort. I had a minor bruise on my thumb for all her effort.

She can chew through chicken wings within a few hours so I'm sure if left my thumb in her mouth for an hour or so she would have eventually caused serious damage but IDK who would do that, just let a dog chew on their extremities...

We have also started behaviour work to help her love getting her nails done. For her sake, not for the sake of my thumb. We'd rather she enjoyed all interactions with us, no matter how amusing she is when goes into gremlin mode.

Frequency · 06/11/2023 10:25

I should add I don't think OP should just leave her Chi as it is just because it can't hurt anyone. It's clearly very unhappy and anxious and needs the support of a qualified behaviourist for its own welfare.

TedMullins · 06/11/2023 10:28

You need to invest in a behaviourist and training. Your dog is your responsibility - show her how you want her to behave. If you haven’t got the time or inclination to do that, she is best being rehomed to someone who will. There’s no need to put her down at all.

Tempnamechng · 06/11/2023 10:31

Training, training, training.

hattie43 · 06/11/2023 10:38

Typical ownership , it's too much work to train and easier to put down . She's aggressive because she's scared , that's not her fault . Get some training support and help , agree the dogs behaving badly series is a good place to start , you'll see from that show that most faults are down to the owners .

Frequency · 06/11/2023 10:41

agree the dogs behaving badly series is a good place to start

I've never seen this but from a PP's reaction to the suggestion earlier I am going to go ahead and assume it uses aversive techniques.

OP should absolutely not follow this. Even when carried out by professionals aversive training can cause far more damage than good, especially with a naturally anxious breed like a chihuahua.

This dog needs space, patience, and gentle, positive training to build its confidence. It won't be an overnight fix but it can be fixed.

Housereno39 · 06/11/2023 10:50

Please please please don’t put her down. We have rehabilitated a very aggressive chihuahua who we rescued from a bad situation. We had a dog trainer look at him and he said to essentially treat him like a dog (not allowed on bed, furniture, not picked up like a baby constantly) so he sees that you are the boss and will protect him so he doesn’t need to get aggressive to frighten people off. I’m really happy to help you if you have any questions but please don’t put her down. They are such lovely little dogs once trained.

Cumberbiatch · 06/11/2023 10:57

Frequency · 05/11/2023 20:41

And if you really feel all hope is lost even after seeing a behaviourist I would second the advice to contact a breed-specific rescue. My daughter is a chihuahua lover/collector and when I read her your post her immediate response was "OMG! Fulltime gremlin mode! I NEED that chihuahua. It sounds adorable." which proves there are homes out there for dogs like that (but not ours. Two chihuahuas is enough chihuahuas for DD's collection)

I'm not sure about this attitude. If the poor dog is showing signs of constant anxiety and stress after seeing a behaviourist, I'm not sure that it's kind to hand them over to yet another home. "Gremlin mode" isn't really a very sensitive or loving way to describe a creature that is deeply unhappy and scared, and as for "I NEED that dog"- what about the dog's needs? It isn't an accessory.

Iheartpizza · 06/11/2023 12:55

Frequency · 06/11/2023 10:06

I don't agree that she shouldn't be PTS just because she's tiny. She still has the capability to deliver a nasty bite, especially if she goes for the face.

I'm not sure where this assertion that Chihuahuas can cause actual damage comes from.

Have you seen the size of a Chi's mouth?

One of DD's Chis hates having her nails cut. DD asked me to help hold her once while she was having them done. She bit down on my thumb so hard she was physically shaking from the effort. I had a minor bruise on my thumb for all her effort.

She can chew through chicken wings within a few hours so I'm sure if left my thumb in her mouth for an hour or so she would have eventually caused serious damage but IDK who would do that, just let a dog chew on their extremities...

We have also started behaviour work to help her love getting her nails done. For her sake, not for the sake of my thumb. We'd rather she enjoyed all interactions with us, no matter how amusing she is when goes into gremlin mode.

It doesn't matter about the size of its mouth! It still has a set of sharp teeth inside, like any breed!

I find it difficult to believe that you only sustained minor bruising from a sustained bite but 🤷🏼‍♀️

Also, a quick google of chihuahua bite' will bring up an image of a woman who had her eyelid ripped off by one of them.

But anyway as I was saying, I would try a qualified behaviourist first before contemplating anything else.....

Frequency · 06/11/2023 13:36

Ok, so I have had a bad weekend and am having a bad day. I was using humour in an attempt to cheer up both OP and myself, but obviously, it didn't land very well.

The chihuahua did bite me. She was physically shaking from the effort. It didn't cause any damage more than a minor bruise and a bit of a sore thumb. Yes, they have sharp teeth but they don't have the jaw strength to seriously puncture living flesh with them.

I would imagine they can tear something as thin as an eyelid. A scraggy fingernail could tear an eyelid if you were that unlucky but you'd have to be either seriously unlucky, stupid enough to stick your face in an unhappy Chi's face or a combination of both for that to be a risk.

I do agree, however, that this is a serious issue. DD uses "gremlin mode" as an affectionate, humourous description of unwanted behaviours that we do address immediately. I would never allow her to keep a dog that was "fulltime gremlin mode" without addressing its issues. Her current dog only goes into "gremlin mode" if she thinks someone is going to take a shared toy she has randomly decided belongs to her and her alone or if the bigger dog accidentally steps on her.

I also agree that if a behaviourist says the dog cannot be helped the dog should be pts on welfare grounds. Dogs have an instinct to survive. They do not start or escalate conflict unless they feel they have no other choice/their life depends on it because they instinctively know injury could mean death. An injured dog couldn't hunt, for example. So a dog who is constantly in a state of high arousal is a dog who is constantly in fear for its life. That's not a happy dog. It would not be fair to allow it to continue.

But it is highly, highly unlikely that behavioural therapy couldn't address the matter. What I meant by if OP feels she really cannot manage, is that if OP feels she doesn't have the time or means to offer behavioural support she should look at rehoming to someone who can offer the dog the right support.

Fear aggression is easier to address in smaller dogs, especially dogs as small as chihuahuas, not because they cannot cause serious harm, a qualified behaviourist would never push a dog to the point it felt it needed to bite, but because their exercise and stimulation needs can be met inside the house/garden if needed. Outside walks and off-leash time is great for welfare and chihuahuas should be walked daily most of the time, but in this case, it is causing more harm than good.

Meeting the needs of a larger dog without leaving the house and potentially encountering a trigger is much more difficult.

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