Pets4Homes full of XL bully puppies

[Tygertiger]

Even after the ban was announced, there have been so many Xl bully litters posted. Who on earth is going to pay £800+ for a pup that will need to be muzzled its whole life and they’ll need an exemption certificate for? Or is this just evidence that people will ignore the ban as they think it won’t be enforceable due to these dogs not actually being a proper breed?

Those poor puppies. I agree with the ban but it’s still a very sad situation as presumably so many of them will now be euthanised at a very young age.

Look at this one. Want to pay 200 pounds for an aggressive dog with shit recall that has already badly injured another dog?

https://www.pets4homes.co.uk/classifieds/care11v5l-american-bully-xl-brentwood/?pmg_source=all

@gobbledoops - if they wait a few weeks they can get the government euthanasia payment. Which might be the best bet. That dog is 1 year 9 months, so just hitting maturity, and now manifesting aggressive behaviour. Ticking time bomb.

I do appreciate the point you’re making but I also think there’s another side to this that you’re potentially not seeing. Yes the advert doesn’t read well, but this is a classic example of a dog that this time last year would probably have been a rescue job, take the dog there and they will find a new home for the dog. The problem owners are going to find now is that he’s clearly struggling with the dog and can’t keep it, but most rescues have now said they will not take on dogs that are “of type” because they will not legally be able to rehome them. So at that point I suppose what are your options? It’s either sell the dog or kill the dog, and if they are genuinely dog lovers then I can see why the thought of euthanising a dog over this doesn’t feel like an option. The fact that they are selling for only £200 does suggest this could be the case because they can and do sell for a lot more than that if it was about the money, it may genuinely be that this man acknowledges he cannot cope with this dog but the rescue centres have turned their back on these owners now.

There will of course be people who are just selling for the money, but there will also he owners who can’t cope with their dogs (just like lots of other dog breeds) who now don’t have the option of surrendering to a rescue. The only options are to sell (while they still can), kill, or as I think someone mentioned up the thread some are just being basically left to roam the streets, potentially causing a lot of harm to a lot of dogs/people.

Option three get it neutered and see if that makes a difference to the aggression with other male dogs?

Yet another irresponsible owner who wants to pass the problem on to somebody else because god forbid they can actually take responsibility and deal with it themselves. This thing should be PTS.

@ItWillWash I had no idea, but I'm not surprised at all. There's something really iffy about most xl bully ads, the kind of doctored pictures used, the obsession with particular bloodlines, I knew there must be stuff going on behind the scenes.

@Itsnotchristmasyet that turned my stomach :( poor dogs treated like breeding machines.

To be fair, the owner is being honest and up front about the dogs issues.

I’ve heard of so many where they lie just to get rid of the dog but then the dog is completely different and it’s actually really aggressive or something.

If the owners were more like this one then we wouldn’t have as many problems with this breed or other dogs.

I think these dogs need to go into rescue homes though.
£200 and the issues he has, is not going to deter an idiot buyer.

If it works, why is there an increase in ownership of banned dog breeds? In 2013, there were 2323 recorded banned dogs being kept by owners. In 2023 there are 3499 reported banned dogs kept in homes.

Surely a ban would eventually eliminate a breed from the country it is banned in, so how can the ban be working if the numbers are increasing?

At least the owner is honest about the danger. There are dozens of other recent ads for adult bullies, where the rehoming is framed as nothing to do with the ban and where the dog is painted as a little angel that would not hurt a fly.

There is no way to check whether this little angel has just recently mauled the family labrador, so I don’t understand how anyone could take that risk.

This particular dog should have been PTS given the aggression, but agree that for some other owners and less clearly aggressive dogs there should still be an option to surrender the dog to a shelter.

I’ve just clicked on another advert.

”He is not neutered so can be breed.”

FFS!
This is the problem.

Someone will buy this dog for the £100, stud it out several times then get rid of it.

Someone else will do the same with a female.

I thinking cracking down on the breeding/getting dogs neutered is going to be the place to start.

stunning blue entire male

This is the problem with the first dog. Seven months is around the age these dogs start becoming sexually mature. I have no doubt the other male it's taken against is also entire. Neutering one or both would almost certainly resolve the issue but then they would not be worth quite so much money.

That poor dog god knows where it'll end up

They are already moving in to the ‘next big thing’.

Five Belgian Malinois for sale locally, all between ten months to a year old.

Obviously bought by morons who thought this powerhouse of a dog would be just fine in a cramped terrace house, with no walks and while they work full time.

License with owner and dogs details on it, dog must be microchipped?

I was going to say the same thing about the Malinois.

Banning XL Bullies won't stop dog attacks, just like banning the Pitbull or the Dogo Argentino didn't stop them either. People will just find another breed to destroy instead.

It's already the law for dogs to be microchipped but a huge amount still aren't.

The problem with most of these laws is that there's nobody to enforce them. I live in an area with one dog warden for the whole county - there is no way that one person can enforce the law in such a large area.

So the police stop a dog owner in the street. Do they now have to carry scanners with them? And if the owner can’t produce the licence or the dog isn’t chipped, what then? Arrest them, seize the dog…so you’re creating huge demand on a resource that already can’t cope as it is.

At least two have been abandoned in woodland near here in the last week, which is worrying for dog walkers.

I imagine the £200 for euthanasia is designed to stop this happening too much.

It is an interesting concept to me that many people these days actively avoid or just have no interest in the news. It is possible that some aren't even aware of the impending ban and its details, bizarre as it seems.

I think fines could work. So if you are stopped with an unlicensed dog then £10k fine.
Obviously most of the time you will never be stopped and can walk your dog in peace but you only need to be stopped once.
bit like tube fare evasion. You will get away with it 90% of the time, you can jump the barriers, tail gate people but every so often you will exit the station and there are 10 tube inspectors just by the gate and you can’t see them until you are at the gate so you will get caught.
will those with illegal breeds want to take the daily risk of an inspection. I’d be living on my nerves! Or maybe you could just walk dog at night only. Sounds awful too.
and you wouldn’t need to produce a licence there and then but like a traffic stop you get 24 hours to produce your license or whatever.
majority of people will not want this hassle and miserable way of living , similar to how yes you can drive without a license and you can ride the tube for free but majority don’t

Vet nurse here , i have no idea how the enforcement of neutering will be carried out , i think there will be some practices that will refuse to do so, if it is a relatively small practice they simply may not have the equipment or manpower( young girl power in many vet practices !) needed to deal with any potential dangers .
Also judgemental though it sounds often owners of these breeds aren't the type to budget neutering costs into their dog ownership.
I wonder if the government may work alongside big name rescue ie rspca and offer subsidised neutering.
Doesn't help the staff involved though just additional work load with the same safety issues as private practice and really why should the government fork out when there are so many more societal issues needing priority.
I think we will see litters of these pups being dumped , similar to the lockdown puppy situation where demand just dropped right off, and what will happen to them when no reputable rescues can take them?
There will be some out there with a bit more common sense who after considering buying an xl bully now won't because of the new laws coming .
Poor pups but i have no sympathy for any of these unpredictable adult dogs that have the potential to wreak such destruction.
What on earth was the original breeder of these dogs thinking .

There’s no such thing as an accidental litter for a dog with an owner - there’s an injection that can be given for quite a few weeks after accidental matings and there’s also spay aborts.

If people have a litter it’s because they decided to have it, even if the mating was accidental.

Sorry that wasn’t what I meant! More that if something happens, then you could be fined for not complying or have your license to keep a dog revoked, not just randomly checking dogs in the street. Like your driving license, it’s only checked when you’ve been in an accident, and you’d be disqualified if you didn’t have a license. Of course people wouldn’t all comply but it might make people stop and think twice about dog ownership if they had to be legally registered as the owner (and therefore responsible for its actions)

All of these new laws are fine but they only apply to England and Wales which means people can still go and buy from breeders in NI and Scotland so the idea that these dogs will die out in England and Wales is fanciful .

The bans do not work at all. There have been more deaths and attacks since the DDA has been around. The dog breed changes and people just move onto a dog that is not on the DDA (then it is added) then they move onto the next dog.

I give it a few months and XL bully types will be breed smaller than 20 cm to miss out on being classified as a bully type.

The DDA has never worked and never will

How many of the attacks are by banned breeds?