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Can terriers live with cats?

26 replies

LostitwithMax · 24/10/2023 10:07

Okay… hello fellow dog lovers :)

I have a 10 month old mixed breed terrier who was found as a stray in Spain before he should even leave his mum. He had a pretty rough start and almost died, not really having any interaction with other puppies, etc. he came to a foster in the uk where he lived with 3 cats and children, etc.

I took him when he was 4 months and have done everything in my power to give him a good start. He’s a good boy and is great at commands and recalling from dogs and people (verbally) and squeaking a ball will stop him in his tracks from chasing wildlife (they have run in the time he stopped to look for the squeak). We did puppy classes until recently and he’s well mannered with food and is crate trained, good at being left for time alone, etc. he’s a great little dog that I’ve genuinely worked really hard on.

we have a 4 year old cat and he is absolutely obsessed though. When he first came he actually played with the cat, he was rather tiny and the cat would often instigate it by rolling on her back and pawing (how she plays) and I assumed it was all fine with him doing the same (now realise this was probably the first mistake) but there was no issues and they would curl up next to each other to sleep etc. he then starting humping her and she stopped playing with him and was getting annoyed, at night he would stop settling on the bed with her and be annoying so we started crating him and baby gating the bedroom and kitchen to give her an outlet. This seemed to make things worse for his desire to irritate her though, he’s leap up at any opportunity to get her (then mainly humped her) vet said to neuter so we did (a few weeks ago) and he’s just been really bad with chasing her. He can be asleep on the sofa and he hears her move and he’s running to the baby gate to bark/growl, if she passes from room to room over the baby gates, he will run and if gets her, nip at her fur (to the point it comes out).

I’ve tried verbal commands with high rewards (that he usually responds to fine) and it’s pointless, he wants the chase more. Squeaky balls do stop him in his tracks which then the cat stops and then he turns back to the cat and the chase is the exact same.

im going to try having him just off lead and in the living room only and then the cat can pass freely between everywhere else and I will have him on a lead if we are leaving the living room (I will divide half of it off with puppypen type fencing) I assume it will be a weird change for him but for the best, I’m assuming the cat will run the moment she sees him entering the other rooms even on a lead but I’m sure it will be enough for me to grab his attention (he’ll be on a lead anyway) and reward his focus on me. I’m assuming this sounds like the correct approach?

im a little worried that all I keep reading is constant comments that terriers can never have their prey drive taken and simply can’t get on with cats, is this actually true?I love them both dearly and just want them to be happy. He’s high energy so I’m constantly worried I’m not playing enough with him but then I read it’s maybe too much. Struggling a bit with knowing what’s right.

this is really important to me and my relationship and obviously both the dog and the cat

thank you

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LostitwithMax · 24/10/2023 10:09

Oh and picture of sweet boy (any idea on breeds?)

Can terriers live with cats?
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Maddy70 · 24/10/2023 10:16

Yes. I have two jack Russell and 3 cats. They need good training especially if it's a rescue as you have to use learn previous behaviour.

Make sure the cats have safe spaces to go to.

Get a good dog trainer /behaviourist

winowin · 24/10/2023 10:31

Same advice as your other thread.

Rehome the dog or move out with him.

YetAnotherSpartacus · 24/10/2023 10:33

I agree with winowin.

Slightly different story being told on the other thread!

UnIucky · 24/10/2023 10:35

Hello!

I saw your other post. I’m sorry people were so quick to attack you. I posted a dog related issue on here once and people were so quick to jump on imploring me to rehome. As if rehoming is as simple and emotion free as taking the rubbish out 🙄 Needless to say they were wrong and everything is fine now.

So, I had a similar but not exactly the same situation. I have two beagles and two house rabbits (as in they hop freely around the house). One dog we got as a puppy, the other as an adult rescue. Being hounds it’s obviously in their nature to want to chase rabbits. We had to bring in a behaviourist with each dog.

The trainer focussed on impulse control both inside and outside the house. The puppy took a loonnggg time. She was an absolutely bonkers puppy all round though. It wasn’t cheap but it worked for both of them - £50 a session.

Now the hounds and the rabbits live in harmony. Teaching impulse control also helped with other behavioural issues eg it is notoriously difficult to train beagles to have recall but mine are pretty much perfect, they drop on command, stay when told etc.

To be honest, I think if you are not an expert you are probably in over your head trying to correct this behaviour, especially if this is your first dog. You might also inadvertently being teaching improper behaviours (I know I was).

Maybe you could mention your location and someone might be able to recommend a good behaviourist?

DaftQuestionForToday · 24/10/2023 10:43

YetAnotherSpartacus · 24/10/2023 10:33

I agree with winowin.

Slightly different story being told on the other thread!

@YetAnotherSpartacus

in what way do you think it's 'a different story'

she's left out the relationship bits, but they're not actually that relevant.

she was 'advised' to ask for specific help, which she has.

what's the issue?

DaftQuestionForToday · 24/10/2023 10:44

winowin · 24/10/2023 10:31

Same advice as your other thread.

Rehome the dog or move out with him.

@winowin

then there was no need to repeat your 'advice' was there?

YetAnotherSpartacus · 24/10/2023 10:50

He used to sleep with the cat and now does nothing but chase it and if he grabs her, takes fur out, etc. he’s blaming me, saying I never did training around cats but yet there was 0 issues until this last month where I’m trying but not sure what to do. His cat now hides almost all the time but does come out when it needs food, etc.

The impact on the cat is minimised in this iteration of the story. The poor cat is being terrorised and tormented.

And yes, the DP is threatening to leave with the cat and good on him!

lolacherricoke · 24/10/2023 10:51

From experience, if there is nipping involved I would say no!! We had 2 cats who became very distressed and they ended up staying out the house for days on end. Luckily we found someone to take our dog and all 3 animals are now incredibly happy. It's also been great for us as a family as it was quite a stressful situation.

Newlittlerescue · 24/10/2023 11:17

He looks a little bit Podenco to me (tapered snout and his colouring). Terriers x podencos are often found in Spain. Podencos have a high prey drive.

I hope you find a solution - a premium subscription to the Facebook page mentioned sounds like a good start.

margotrose · 24/10/2023 11:25

Not all terriers can live with cats, no. They can (and do) kill them. Obviously that applies to any breed but terriers are literally bred to chase and kill small furry things so you really do have your work cut out.

I'd give the same advice as you got on your other thread - your dog needs to stay on a lead and must never, ever be allowed to chase the cat, let alone get to the stage that it's ripping its fur out. That poor animal must be terrified. If you're not willing to do that then you need to move out before the cat is killed or gets sick from stress (which can also kill depending on the cat).

We have a dog and three cats and the dog stayed on a house line for months while we trained him to be cat safe. It didn't limit him in any way as the line just trailed behind him. Yes, it was a pain in the arse at times but it's part of responsible dog ownership. It's not optional.

SoupDragon · 24/10/2023 13:06

DaftQuestionForToday · 24/10/2023 10:43

@YetAnotherSpartacus

in what way do you think it's 'a different story'

she's left out the relationship bits, but they're not actually that relevant.

she was 'advised' to ask for specific help, which she has.

what's the issue?

She hasn't mentioned that the dog grabs the cat and pulls fur out for a start.

on the other thread the dog still chooses the chase over the squeaky ball too.

YetAnotherSpartacus · 24/10/2023 13:08

Yes she has

He used to sleep with the cat and now does nothing but chase it and if he grabs her, takes fur out, etc. he’s blaming me, saying I never did training around cats but yet there was 0 issues until this last month where I’m trying but not sure what to do. His cat now hides almost all the time but does come out when it needs food, etc.

YetAnotherSpartacus · 24/10/2023 13:09

Sorry SoupDragon - I misunderstood your post.

kokotheguerilla · 24/10/2023 13:14

I’m pretty sure the other thread said he was a UK rescue and hadn’t come from overseas. I’m not sure how helpful people can be if the OP isn’t being honest.

OP, in this situation I’d get a behaviourist in to the house to observe and advise. Essentially though, the dog is making the cats life a misery and it sounds like if the dog can’t be trained then it’s either the dog goes or you move out. I don’t blame your partner for being angry. His cat was there first.

Terriers have a very high prey drive and my local rescue won’t rehome one to a house with cats or other small pets like rabbits. Make of that what you will.

margotrose · 24/10/2023 13:15

The other thread did say he was from Spain but in foster in the UK.

kokotheguerilla · 24/10/2023 13:18

margotrose · 24/10/2023 13:15

The other thread did say he was from Spain but in foster in the UK.

Oh yes you are right, my bad. I saw the bit where she said he wasn’t shipped from oversees but not the Spain part. I do think this thread minimises much of what was said in the other one, but some solid advice there previously in amongst the ranting.

DiscoBeat · 24/10/2023 13:33

Very sweet. He looks a little like my mums dog - Yorkie and Jack Russell cross. He chases cats like crazy because it's in his genes. I would try very hard to train him but steel yourself for the possibility that he just isn't a fit for your household and let the rescue centre find a lovely cat-free home for him.

DiscoBeat · 24/10/2023 13:34

I don't think it's very helpful to the OP to hark back to the other thread. Clearly another thread has been started to try to switch the focus back onto the advice she was trying to get in the first place.

DiscoBeat · 24/10/2023 13:37

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DiscoBeat · 24/10/2023 13:39

(⬆️ That's a link to an article about Yorkie/JRT cross - might be helpful if you think it is a possibility your dog is this crossbreed)

DaftQuestionForToday · 24/10/2023 16:38

SoupDragon · 24/10/2023 13:06

She hasn't mentioned that the dog grabs the cat and pulls fur out for a start.

on the other thread the dog still chooses the chase over the squeaky ball too.

@SoupDragon

if she passes from room to room over the baby gates, he will run and if gets her, nip at her fur (to the point it comes out)

she hasn't said in THIS thread, the dog comes back for the squeaky ball with people & wildlife, which is what she said on the other thread. The implication on this thread is that it doesn't work with the cat.

why are you & yet another Spartacus making out she's ly8ng or omitting stuff when's she's not.

I haven't looked but presumably the first thread (in AIBU) is still there for all to see.

she's getting a roasting when she's tried her best to sort this out.

her 'D'P isn't supporting her, frankly I'd rehome him.

margotrose · 24/10/2023 16:45

her 'D'P isn't supporting her, frankly I'd rehome him.

Why should he support her? Her dog is trying to kill his cat!

Greygardenz · 24/10/2023 16:55

Very cute little dog. Still quite capable of killing cats though.

capabilityfrowns · 24/10/2023 17:02

I almost made this mistake op. I've got a little cross breed terrier mix , and almost was talked into getting a kitten , now I think my dog would have been fine with a kitten inside the house , ( he's been gentle and curious about some rescue rats I took ) but outside it's a different story, and I suspect if I'd got the cat it wouldn't have been able to safely come back into the garden , outside he chases .

I really don't know how you could train that out of him. I decided not to take the kitten as I just couldn't risk it .

I really hope you find a solution but I think it's going to be to keep them separate tbh.

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