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Getting to the point of caging or rehoming my dog

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DWSDB · 20/10/2023 21:04

I’ve got 2 dogs, one is a 9 year old beagle X and the other (the one im referring to) is an 18 month lab X. I love them both dearly but she is driving me up the wall with her behaviour as of late.

The dogs are fed twice a day, when we are working they are walked twice a day and once if we are at home. I wfh quite a lot so they’re only left in this position two days a week.

Previously, we gave the dogs the run of the downstairs and left them with different toys/kongs/snuffle mats. Dog walker comes in the afternoon and my mum let them out in the morning. The lab X has then taken to going to the toilet in the same place every day (despite multiple cleaning products) so we have cut down the amount of room they have.

Since then, after an hour alone, she has fought with my other dog over food to a point where he had to have surgery to be stitched back together (weirdly they’re still best friends) so we then kept them seperate when we went out with their treats
. When this has happened she has ripped off the door frame at the bottom because she hates being alone so we have put them together with nothing to keep them entertained. I feel bad for my other dog who’s done nothing wrong.

Because she has nothing to do she has now taken to counter surfing. We did loads of training to stop her doing this but she simply waits until we aren’t in the room. I can’t put her in the living room as this is where she was going to the toilet and can’t seperate them as she rips the house apart.

Despite keeping the counters clear and putting things high up she’s somehow managed to still get them and has learned to open the cupboards to get food out.

She’s broken my sons heart today as he left the room for a second to put something in the outside bin and for the first time he has prepared us dinner and dessert and she ate the lot in seconds.
Obviously I get this will be my fault cause someone should have been watching but it’s getting stupid now.

Her needs are met. She’s walked good long walks, she gets fed and, when I’m there, will give them both bones etc. Shes given loads of love and attention and I’m just at a loss of what to do with her.

I feel cruel leaving her in a cage for six hours a day but atleast I can give her some things to keep her occupied and she will be walked and let out and free when we are home which is a lot of the time or the dogs tend to come out with us. The other alternative is that she has to go. if this happens I will make sure she goes to a loving home and maybe I’ve got tunnel vision but I’m at my wits end with her. I’m 7 months pregnant and worrying every time I leave the house is driving me insane.

she is a genuinely lovely sociable dog whose amazing to be around but I must be letting her down one way or another for this to be happening and I am at a loss what to do next.

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Wolfiefan · 20/10/2023 21:07

You’re leaving her for six hours a day? That’s the problem.

DWSDB · 20/10/2023 21:09

she has someone two hours after I go then two hours after that she is walked then two hours after that we are home. She is also walked for 45 mins first thing

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Bobtheamazinggingerdog · 20/10/2023 21:10

Can you take her to daycare when you go out? I'm not surprised she's going loopy being left for 6 hours. It's too long for some dogs, especially when they are young.

DWSDB · 20/10/2023 21:13

It’s not six hours blocked time. It’s three two hour blocks twice a week with walks in between. Daycare is definitely something I’ll consider when I’m back off maternity.

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rookiemere · 20/10/2023 21:15

Maybe you do need to bite the bullet and see if a rescue can find a good home for her, if the alternative is she spends most of those two days locked in a crate. She is an 18 month lab and her main issues are being caused by not being well suited to being on her own, so should be easily placed.

DWSDB · 20/10/2023 21:15

I suppose something to mention is that some of the incidents have happened whilst I’ve been gone for literally 15 mins to drop my son off at school or gone to the petrol station

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doodleygirl · 20/10/2023 21:17

It’s a you problem not the dogs. She is bored. Please do not leave her for 6 hours in a crate it’s just cruel.

DWSDB · 20/10/2023 21:17

@rookiemere maybe so. It’s so sad because we all love her so much and we want her to be happy but I don’t think she must be given what’s happening :( just wanted to try absolutely everything before we gave up. She would be in a cage 9-11 then 11.30-1 then 3.30-5 with walks and love in between. But I don’t know if this is fair even if for two days a week until I’m on maternity

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DWSDB · 20/10/2023 21:18

@doodleygirl i am well aware of that, which is why I am asking for advice?

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Moanycowbag · 20/10/2023 21:21

If she is pooing and peeing in the house only when you leave it sounds like she has separation anxiety maybe employ a behaviourist to work out what the issue is.

DWSDB · 20/10/2023 21:22

@Moanycowbag it’s weird because she stopped that now after I’ve sectioned off that bit of room. Could do with that actually cause I’ve not a clue what to do next!

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XiCi · 20/10/2023 21:25

You can't leave her in a cage for that long . That would be awful. You must know that

Mine goes to doggy daycare on the days I'm in the office

Daveismyhero · 20/10/2023 21:25

You'll get a lot of negativity on here for both crate training and leaving your dog. There's nothing wrong with either providing the circumstances are right. It sounds like your dog gets plenty stimulation but is insecure without your other dog there. I'd crate train if I was yiu. Spend time building value in the crate and making it her safe and happy space, she can still have her kings and snuffle mats in there. Absolutely nothing wrong with using a crate

HelpaFriend85 · 20/10/2023 21:26

She sounds anxious and lonely. Cage sounds awful.

cheezncrackers · 20/10/2023 21:28

DWSDB · 20/10/2023 21:15

I suppose something to mention is that some of the incidents have happened whilst I’ve been gone for literally 15 mins to drop my son off at school or gone to the petrol station

She doesn't know that though, does she? All she knows is that you've left and if it's separation anxiety then you leaving is the catalyst for her behaviour.

DWSDB · 20/10/2023 21:30

No I suppose she doesn’t but it was right after a walk and her breakfast and a bone so I thought it would give me a bit of time😂

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Undisclosedlocation · 20/10/2023 21:30

How long are her walks? What mental stimulation/ongoing challenging training is she getting?

A young lab x (especially if it’s crossed with a similarly working type breed) needs a ‘job’ to keep them happy and settled - she sounds bored and frustrated

DWSDB · 20/10/2023 21:35

@Daveismyhero I kind of thought this.. I can’t be the only person who leaves the dogs to go to work- I’ve always had a dog and this has never been such an issue.. they always had walkers and check ins and something to do.

my other dog had to be crated for 12 weeks after an operation and we couldn’t get him out of it by the end😂 I just don’t want to be cruel to her and put her in jail but she would still have walks/check ins and things to do

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SirSniffsAlot · 20/10/2023 21:36

There's a lot here to unpick but 'quick and dirty' initial thoughts.

  1. Leaving two dogs alone with food is always going to be asking for trouble. I'm not at all surprise you had a nasty fight between them.
  2. She needs confidence and training, seperate from your other dog. This includes some of her walks being seperate (so you can focus on training) and some of the training time in the house. She needs to develop a sense of confidence outside of having the beagle x around. Ideally that would have been done much sooner, but better late than never.
  3. She also needs help for her seperation anxiety. The destructive and toilet behaviour suggests this is a significant issue for her and needs prioritising. Start with help from a good behaviourist.
  4. Many a 'good' dog counter surfs and training rarely has anything to do with it. They give up if they never get anything but as she has succeeded in getting food, this will now be a strong behaviour for her. You stop it by stopping them being able to get anything, even if she climbs. Child locks on cupboards etc.
  5. The crate might be keeping her safe but it's not actually teaching her anyting so is simply a way to hold her in one place. Just be aware of that.
applesandmares · 20/10/2023 21:37

Do you think this will be as much as a problem once you're on maternity leave and so will presumably be around more? Then when you're back at work you could look into day care?

Mumofoneandone · 20/10/2023 21:42

Maybe try radio on when you are out and a light that has a motion sensor to help with separation anxiety!

DWSDB · 20/10/2023 21:42

@Undisclosedlocation when we are working she gets 45 mins off lead in the morning and the dog walker takes her, the other and 2 other dogs out for an hour and a half in the afternoon into the moors.

Spend 30 mins doing training with her most days (she knows all the tricks! Collecting bean bags etc). 2-3 hours in the mountains on my wfh days/weekends and comes out with us pretty much everywhere apart from shopping etc. Before I was heavily pregnant we would go out for 5+ hours but obviously I’ve had to slow down. We frequent dog friendly cafes/pubs. Partner also goes running 3X a week in an evening and she goes out with him then too. He’s got sciatica at the moment so this is on the back burner so I tend to throw the ball in the field for her atm. Our lives are very outside and revolve around the dogs it’s just these two days. We love them both a lot and chose high energy breeds because we are very outdoorsy and exercise a lot.

Just to point out we are not cruel and have done our best to provide a simulating life for her. She is very loved and cared for. We have tried very hard and just want the best for her.

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DWSDB · 20/10/2023 21:44

I don’t think it’ll be as much as a problem when I’m on mat. Genuinely thinking of starting it early to focus on lab X training

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Itisyourturntowashthebath · 20/10/2023 21:50

Any idea what she is crossed with?

Is it a HPR? They are prone to separation anxiety and bloody slow to mature, meaning you could have a teenage delinquent on your hands.

Daveismyhero · 20/10/2023 21:50

@DWSDB my dog is left while I go to work. We have a dog walker but he actually quite enjoys the rest as he is very busy in terms of training/ outings, similar to your dog. He takes the time to relax properly and catch up on his sleep so he's ready for whatever plans we've got when I get in from work. He's a high energy working breed that would soon let us know through unwanted behaviour if he wasn't happy but we've had no issues which tells me he's fine with it