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Dog in season. Walks?

37 replies

Popthepood · 21/09/2023 19:27

I have a dog and she is in heat. She has been very good, and when quiet letting her off lead on quiet areas as her recall is excellent.
Today suddenly a bunch of other dogs appeared and once we realised that some of them are intact boys we moved got the lead on and moved on.

One of the dog owners ran after us, telling that we ruined all their training and that it’s all our fault that her dog is now not listening. She also accused us her dog running after ours which is not true.

So I appreciate that you need to be careful. But I also trust my dog (to a degree) She has been brilliant throughout her heat and tells boys off/backs off and listens to her commands. I do keep an eye on her all the time and move on as and when required and/or put the leash on.

I was quite taken back by the other dog owner but she is literally at the end of her heat, she has been kept away as much as possible and done brilliantly well. Her dog seemed to be all over the place.

i get their frustrations but we all know what dog we own (intact or not) so got to train them depending on what you have. It’s can’t be always someone else dog. I’m not running around telling off make dog owners who have intact dogs…?

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Newpeep · 21/09/2023 20:00

I walk mine but in deserted areas on a long line. We’re semi rural so it is easy to find places where we meet nobody. We hired a secure field for some off lead fun.

Id not walk her off lead or places where there would be likely to be dogs. Not worth it.

Azaeleasinbloom · 21/09/2023 20:05

Thing is, if she is at her peak season , those 2-3 days when she is at her most fertile, she may not recall to you. She may be the one looking for a male.

Do not underestimate the natural urge to procreate. it is not something that you can train out of them.

Please keep her safe, on lead. Or hire an enclosed field to let her run. Just be aware that intact males can smell her from a mile away and will look for her.

MuttsNutts · 21/09/2023 20:06

It’s fine to walk her, but I wouldn’t let her off the lead and try to stay away from other dogs. Even with a dog with excellent recall, the instinct to mate can be so overpowering that they take off when they get the scent of a dog.

You’re probably already aware of this, but the end of the season is when they have the strongest urge to mate and are most receptive.

FWIW the other owner sounds nuts. I really wouldn’t give her another thought.

MetaMette · 21/09/2023 20:10

I think it's a bit unfair to be walking an in season dog in places where it's possible that there are off lead dogs. We only walk quiet places where any dogs we encounter are likely to be on lead.

But I also trust my dog (to a degree) She has been brilliant throughout her heat and tells boys off/backs off

She shouldn't be in a position where she has to tell any boys off and when it comes to hormones it's crazy to trust her. There'll be a point in her season when she is receptive.

Daveismyhero · 21/09/2023 20:10

Please do not let your in season dog off the lead 🙄
There will come a point in her cycle where she will actively seek a male and all of your training could go out of the window. It's just not worth the risk for a few weeks of keeping her on the lead

muddyford · 21/09/2023 20:13

Even police dogs and neutered service dogs can be derailed by a bitch on heat. It used to be that they were were walked early and late, on lead and on streets where other dogs are most likely to be on lead too. You are risking an accidental pregnancy by relying on excellent recall.

Dizzyspeeds · 21/09/2023 20:14

I remember when my dog had her season. I was walking when another dog walker (it was a street walk and both were in the lead) asked if she was in heat because his dog had been sniffing her out long before they could see her.

I wouldn’t risk off lead walks with a dog on heat.

Unluckycat1 · 21/09/2023 20:19

She hasn't had her first heat yet but she's nearly 10 months so it's on my mind a lot. I don't plan on walking her off lead even though she loves and is built to run. I want to be able to physically block a dog if one tries anything. So many boy dogs are not neutered now so I'll be very cautious.

I think running after you and getting cross was an overreaction!

Rosiem2808 · 21/09/2023 20:19

How did these people know your dog was in season? I have a pug who has not been neutered yet and every time she has been in season and I have walked her there have been no problems with other dogs. I keep her on a lead obviously and spray her back end with bitch spray before we go out. Where are all these dogs coming from?

grosslyunfair · 21/09/2023 20:22

I think it's your risk OP, but you should be aware of the effect on other dogs. I had mine neutered quite young because we lived near a busy park and he used to lose his mind over bitches in season- all training gone and he'd sit and howl by the door for hours after encountering one, and it was quite frequent. Even now he's neutered he is very interested and I have seen female dogs presenting when in season as well. I can usually tell by his reaction if a bitch is in heat and lots of owners seem happy to let them run free in busy areas. The other owner was disproportionate in her response to you but it doesn't take long for a pregnancy to happen! And many male dogs will struggle not to react, whether she is very receptive or not

Chunkyspunkymunkey · 21/09/2023 20:42

You know they are dogs right?

Frlrlrubert · 21/09/2023 21:29

They 'tell the dogs off' until they are ready. Then they don't. Don't let her off the lead.

TheCupboardUnderTheStairsAtTheMojoDojoCasaHouse · 21/09/2023 21:35

This is a post that came from a behaviourist local to me, which was very sensible

💋 IS YOUR FEMALE DOG DUE TO COME ONTO SEASON OR CURRENTLY IN SEASON? 💋

Did you know, you shouldn’t walk her where other dogs will be off lead? You should also try to avoid other dogs as much as you can. In other words, please stick to pavement/street walks at quiet times.
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🗣️ “WHY?”
Your female will be releasing pheromones signalling their availability and this can significantly affect male dogs, entire AND neutered.

Not just male dogs either. Some female dogs can behave more aggressively towards in season bitches.

Every time your female dog urinates, they leave a scent-rich breadcrumb-like trail of desire. Even as they walk around, she leaves a scent trail (skin particles, hair and scent particles in the air) that dogs may pick up and abandon their owners to follow.

Keeping your bitch on lead does not stop them leaving this scent trail. This is why you should walk where other dogs will be on lead- such as by a road. Being on lead will stop a dog following their nose after you bitch, which could take them into a road and cause an accident (This sadly does happen!).

Dogs have an amazing scent detecting ability, tracking the scent on the ground or by picking up particles in the wind.
You could be 1 kilometre upwind from an owner whose blissfully unaware you’re there, so is unable to avoid you! Suddenly their dog could catch the scent of your bitch and take off, ignoring their recall while trying to track your bitch down.

This happens and it’s so stressful for owners who have no warning and no chance of keeping up with their running dog.
In some instances, dogs can run into roads and get hurt.
You may not even be aware, having walked from park to street an hour earlier.
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🗣️ “ISNT THAT A TRAINING ISSUE? MALE DOGS SHOULDNT BE OFF LEAD IF THEY DON’T HAVE 100% RECALL?”

If only it were that simple!

What do we use to motivate a recall?

The primary reinforcers for recall are food and toys 🏀 🍖 🐶

The reason any species eats is to survive is to have the energy to find a mate, to persuade them to mate via behaviour rituals and then have energy to do the ‘deed’ itself.

Do we really expect a dog who isn’t starving hungry to ignore an in season bitch just so he can eat a few treats?!
A few treats is unlikely motivating enough, unless that dog has zero or low sex drive or they are so desperate for food they feel like their life depends on it.

I don’t starve my dogs to get training results and unfortunatly, both my neutered and entire male have a sex drive if presented with the opportunity- so that rules that out.
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Well, what about toys?
Dogs are more motivated to play when other resources are in abundance. Finding a mate is a rarity, unless it’s a stud dog who puts Peter Stringfellow to shame.

Unless a dog has been raised to value their toy/toys above all else- then play will likely be put on the back burner if there’s opportunity to procreate.

I personally want toy motivated dogs, not toy obsessed dogs. I’m not going to make my dogs toy obsessed and hijack their genuine enjoyment of walks (causing subsequent potential physical and health problems) on the off chance we encounter an in-season bitch.
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😱 FEAR / PAIN ⚡️
The only thing that will likely over ride sexual motivation (in dogs who have a sex drive!) is avoiding an aversive.

You can’t breed if you’re dead or injured- so these pathways in the brain can override those involved in procreation.

So, yes you could motivate a recall away from an in-season bitch using aversives (Ecollar, prong, bollocking the dog for not responding) if you wanted- but that’s not how I motivate my dogs to respond to me personally.

I’d rather put my energy into educating owners on making sensible choices for all dogs involved than risking emotional and physical fall out by using aversives, just incase they come across an in-season bitch.
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🧠 SWITCHING OFF 🧠
If we reflect on the sex education we had back in school- you may remember learning how blood is diverted away from the brain to the sexual organs in preparation for sex.

If you think back to any time you were full of lust, you were probably a little less on the ball than normal.

We even have sayings such as; ‘thinking with his insert choice of word ‘ to describe how men can make poor decisions when they have sex on the brain..... and it's not just men that are guilty of this.

Think about the last nature documentary you watched. Males can fight to the death to mate- so in some instances, even fear and pain is not aversive enough. The goal to procreate sometimes becomes all consuming!

So, when a dog who has a sex drive comes across a bitch in season, or the scent of a bitch in season, we can’t expect them to be in full control of their frontal cortex processes (that's the executive function part of the brain).

For some dogs, it can take a small, faint whiff for them to become focused on a single task (the lady herself), for others it may take a deep inhale while their nose is inserted right under the bitches of a bitch. You just don't know the saliency each male dog is triggered by- hence why you should not let your bitch get close to dogs or leave their scent where dogs will be off lead.

Once 'triggered' by the scent, male dogs can switch off, fail to respond to their recall and generally require physical retrieval.
It can take them a while to calm down even after being removed from the scene. Some dogs will even run back to find the bitch when let off lead later- crossing huge distances to find her.

Please think about that when you cross the main road from your local park with your in season bitch.
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🗣️ “WHY NOT GET YOUR DOG NEUTERED THEN?”
For dogs that struggle to switch off from their quest of searching for a mate, even when no stimuli (scent or presence of in season bitch) is present- this is a consideration to make.

However, for dogs who are responsive to owners UNTIL the scent (urine) or presence of an in season bitch - suggesting an irreversible operation that can have health an behaviour implications as a solution is hardly fair.

Plus, neutered males can still be very interested in in-season bitches and some will even mount and tie with them, given the chance. My neutered male Tooey has tried to mount an in-season bitch with a concerning level of confidence! Luckily, he was right next to me so I could intervene swiftly.
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Please remember, owners of entire males have to manage their dogs 52 weeks of the year, maintaining a recall so they don’t roam and cause a nuisance.

In contrast, owners of unneutered bitches have to make routine and management changes for a mere 8 weeks a year.

To summarise:

💧 Your in season bitch leaves a scent trail where ever she goes, that can be detectable by dogs for hours after.

Dogs can abandon owners tracking the scent trying to find your dog. They may go up to other dogs in the hope that they are your dog.

Thus why you should walk your in season bitch at quiet times in locations where other dogs will frequent less, and be on lead- such as on street walks.

💥 🤛 Amped up boys may be more confrontational to other dogs or people and other bitches may be hostile to your bitch.
You wouldn’t judge two male sea lions fighting over a harem of ladies on a beach- so why expect different from another species?!

In season bitches can also become understandably aggressive when harassed, as they’re only receptive (and more willing) for the final week of their season.

It’s really not nice for in season bitches to be paraded around and getting unwanted attention. Some get very anxious about this.

🩸 A heads up, your bitch is most receptive after bleeding stops- so ceasing to bleed doesn’t mean back out to off lead walks with loads of dogs. Extra distance from other dogs is needed.

😩 All the hoo-haa involved with owners trying to grab their amorous, fixated and persistent male can be very stressful for all involved, which can lead to your bitch developing anxieties about other people or dogs.
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ARE ALL MALE DOGS SEXUALLY MOTIVATED?

Nope.
Male dogs can differ in sex drive. Some will be interested after the faintest whiff, some become interested after they get their nostrils up the britches of the bitch. Others could be slapped around the face with a vagina in peak oestrus and not be interested.
Just because you've met a male dog that wasn't interested, it doesn't mean all will be like this. Remember, you don't know what happens in the trail of scent you've left behind you. Just because you didn't see chaos, it doesn't mean your in season bitch hasn't caused it.
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In the past year I have encountered more in season bitches than ever before on walks.
This is either because owners don’t know, or they simply don’t care!

There’s no IFs or BUTs. If your bitch is coming into season or in season- avoid other dogs.

👄 GIVE OTHER OWNERS A HEADS UP!
If you encounter a dog - call ahead to their owner so they can keep their dog away! Because as soon as those nostrils pick up the scent of desire- it’s game over.

The amount of times I have identified a bitch as in season because of the body language I observe in my dog after he’s sniffed her. The owner is then like “oh yeah, she is”.

I find this so unbelievably frustrating. With warning given allowing me to avoid- I now have to deal with a sexually frustrated dog (stressed) who needs 5-10 minutes to calm down once physically removed from the scene. I’m lucky he won’t travel back and can continue with his walks once out of scent and sight range. Many others aren’t this fortunate and some dogs really struggle to calm down.

If your bitch is in season you wouldn’t generally be allowed to take them to:

❌ Training classes
❌ Dog comeptitions (agility/shows etc)
❌ Daycare
❌ Boarding

No sensible professional dog walker would in their right mind take them on a group walk and some secure fields will also not allow in season bitches.

You may find your groomer refuses to groom them too!

This is all for good reason. With this weight of canine professionals putting these boundaries in place- I really hope dog owners pay attention as to their reasons.

The scent (of in season bitches) causes chaos which is challenging to avoid- because you can't see scent in order to avoid it.

YOU however can help avoid contributing to chaos by keeping your in season bitch well away from other dogs and not walking them in places off lead dogs will encounter them or their scent.

Please be a considerate and sensible dog owner and please keep your in season bitch well away from dog walking hotspots.
Please stick to street walks, quiet times and ask other owners to give your dog a wide berth.

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TheCupboardUnderTheStairsAtTheMojoDojoCasaHouse · 21/09/2023 21:38

Rosiem2808 · 21/09/2023 20:19

How did these people know your dog was in season? I have a pug who has not been neutered yet and every time she has been in season and I have walked her there have been no problems with other dogs. I keep her on a lead obviously and spray her back end with bitch spray before we go out. Where are all these dogs coming from?

I've got a neutered boy who is very sensitive to females in season. He never normally bothers with them, but on at least two occasions he's shown so much more interest than usual that I've asked if there's any chance their girl is coming into season, and after a moment's thought the other owner has realised she's about due to come into season.

Again, this is a dog who was castrated young (under 1 yr, before I got him) and is now well into middle age, so no lingering hormones.

Justleaveitblankthen · 21/09/2023 21:48

Obviously be extremely vigilant of other dogs being walked, especially anti social dogs who's owners may walk them off lead at unusually early or late times of day.

Before I had mine spayed, I had a giant Poodle follow us and desperately tried for ages to mount her, despite my best efforts to shoo him away.
What did his owner do? Saunter away and pretend it was someone else's dog 😡
I dread to think what would happen if an XL Bully had got a whiff and it's owner had reacted so recklessly.

Dogs can smell Bitches from literally miles away and will not stop in their quest to mate.

Unluckycat1 · 21/09/2023 23:26

@TheCupboardUnderTheStairsAtTheMojoDojoCasaHouse that post only helps if you live somewhere where green spaces and pavements are somehow miles from each other (given it notes how far scent can travel). My road alone has five green spaces that can be accessed from it, if I followed her advice we'd not step outside the house. In truth there are dog walkers absolutely everywhere, and I meet in-season bitches fairly frequently that aren't being mobbed. I sense some bias there from someone who has a dog that has a high sex drive and, as is evident from the fb photo, its balls intact.

Also, I don't think we can get too annoyed with other dog owners because our dog has got aroused or riled up. Isn't that just a potential part of owning a dog? My pup gets over aroused when she sees a dog chasing a ball. I have to put her on a lead so she doesn't join in (and probably get the ball as she's lightning fast). Instead of sniffing and walking nicely and focusing on me she fixates and lunges on the lead and can take some time to calm down. It's so much nicer for us when other dogs aren't having a ball chucked at them constantly, but that's my problem to deal with.

TheCupboardUnderTheStairsAtTheMojoDojoCasaHouse · 21/09/2023 23:52

Unluckycat1 · 21/09/2023 23:26

@TheCupboardUnderTheStairsAtTheMojoDojoCasaHouse that post only helps if you live somewhere where green spaces and pavements are somehow miles from each other (given it notes how far scent can travel). My road alone has five green spaces that can be accessed from it, if I followed her advice we'd not step outside the house. In truth there are dog walkers absolutely everywhere, and I meet in-season bitches fairly frequently that aren't being mobbed. I sense some bias there from someone who has a dog that has a high sex drive and, as is evident from the fb photo, its balls intact.

Also, I don't think we can get too annoyed with other dog owners because our dog has got aroused or riled up. Isn't that just a potential part of owning a dog? My pup gets over aroused when she sees a dog chasing a ball. I have to put her on a lead so she doesn't join in (and probably get the ball as she's lightning fast). Instead of sniffing and walking nicely and focusing on me she fixates and lunges on the lead and can take some time to calm down. It's so much nicer for us when other dogs aren't having a ball chucked at them constantly, but that's my problem to deal with.

She's a clinical animal behaviourist, and really very good at what she does. She does have a young adult male who is intact, but paediatric castration is advised against for a number of health reasons, and doesn't magically eliminate sex drive either.

You must live in a very unusual place - I've moved around a lot, and I've never lived anywhere where you couldn't manage a decent street walk from the front door, avoiding off lead green spaces, even if it did involve a couple of detours from your normal route.

Validissue179 · 21/09/2023 23:58

I think that when your bitch is on heat then you need to put her on a lead as she has a smell that male dogs will be drawn to regardless of how they are trained. It’s innate. I have spaniels that are trained for gun work & they have to be neutered/spayed otherwise naturally they will have urges

Sonolanona · 22/09/2023 00:11

Before my girl was spayed (first season) I was walking in a very quiet area with her (on a logn line).. not a soul in sight..
Suddenly there was a dog (we renamed him Randy Ben) leadless, bombing towards us! He had scented her from his owners garden ... we had walked past about 10 minutes previously on the way to a field!

My girl was NOT in the mood yet, thankfully and was defending her rear end and the owner realised her dog was missing and thankfully came running about 5 mins later. We were quite some distance away but he had probably caught her scent on the wind.

If I hadn't seen it for myself I could never have imagined he could have tracked her from his garden.

Your dog MUST be on a lead.. no free time until a week or so after her season has finished!

margotrose · 22/09/2023 07:40

You are being incredibly irresponsible letting your in-season bitch off the lead.

As PP have said, they will tell other dogs off until there's a point in their cycle where they won't - and then you're quite literally fucked. She will not come back and if she ties with a male, it will be almost impossible (and very dangerous) to try and separate them.

She needs to stay on a lead away from other dogs until she's out of her season for her own safety as much as anything else.

lightinthebox · 22/09/2023 15:53

I would never have let my dog off the lead when she was in season. The other owner was right to be angry, it can cause serious fights when a dog is in heat. Regardless of how much you trust your dog, hormones will kick in and be dangerous.

Witchymcwitch · 22/09/2023 16:22

If a male dog really wants to mount your dog you won’t be able to stop them. They can be very determined!
And you’ll only have yourself to blame. No point saying the other dog was out of control.

Keep your girl on a lead until at least a week after bleeding stops. It’s only for a few weeks.

Steev · 22/09/2023 16:38

I had no idea that anyone would think it's okay to let an in heat bitch off the lead. Madness and very selfish.

solvendie · 22/09/2023 21:18

We have an intact male. I really wish people with bitches in season would only walk them in areas where dogs are always on lead. The issue with walking an in season bitch in areas where dogs are generally off lead is that there scent stays - no matter if you walk them at times no one else is around - and hormonal, intact boys go chasing that scent. You cannot override this urge with any amount of recall training. My boy tends to come back to me eventually (who he likes to ‘protect’/guard but not for my husband)

I do understand it is difficult but I think people think if they walks quiet times that’s the job done…it isn’t - intact males will still smell and react.

DiscoBeat · 22/09/2023 21:33

We have a male now (chemically castrated) but the last two dogs were female. Before they were spayed we just kept them at home when they were on heat. Lots of running and chasing games in the garden and hide and seek etc for entertainment. Not worth risking an accident for so many reasons!!

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