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Who owns this dog? Microchip etc

20 replies

KingKhazi · 13/07/2023 07:10

My brother and his girlfriend have split up. They were living in his house and she's moved back in with her parents.
They have a dog. She's taken the dog with her and my brother is devastated. Who owns the dog in these circumstances:

Microchip is in her name but his address
Vets is the same - her name, his address. Dog has been to the vets quite a bit lately due to a ripped paw pad.

My brother paid for the dog but there is no evidence of this. It was actually our mum who paid initially and my brother has paid her back over time.

Does microchip in her name automatically make the dog hers, or because its his address is it his?
He desperately wants the dog back.

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HappiestSleeping · 13/07/2023 07:14

If he paid for the dog, then it belongs to him. If it all gets silly, he's likely to need proof though. I imagine with the microchip it will be similar to a car. The registered keeper is not necessarily the legal owner.

MandyMotherOfBrian · 13/07/2023 07:15

There won’t be any one single thing that makes the dog the property of an individual owner. If he was going to go as far as go to court for example, I think it would be viewed as a whole and based on various things. Who purchased the dog, is the proof of who paid, is the dog a pedigree and if so who registered the dog with the KC etc etc.

cinnamonfrenchtoast · 13/07/2023 07:17

There isn't really one particular thing that proves dog ownership in the UK.

If it were to go to court, the courts would look at a variety of things like:

Who paid for the dog
Who pays the vets bills
Who pays the insurance
Who buys the food
Who sorts flea/worn treatment
Who the dog is microchipped to

If the girlfriend has the dog chipped in her name and if she has been the one paying the vets bills, I would say the courts would be more likely to take her side than his, unfortunately.

Chasingsquirrels · 13/07/2023 07:17

Presumably it was also her address at the time the address was given, so the address isn't really relevant - people move and addresses get changed.

What does he want to do in order to enforce his ownership - take it to court? Presumably she will be equally gutted if he had the dog.

cinnamonfrenchtoast · 13/07/2023 07:17

HappiestSleeping · 13/07/2023 07:14

If he paid for the dog, then it belongs to him. If it all gets silly, he's likely to need proof though. I imagine with the microchip it will be similar to a car. The registered keeper is not necessarily the legal owner.

This isn't true.

pickledandpuzzled · 13/07/2023 07:30

Who paid the vet? Who went to the vet?
Who pays insurance?
Over time that's built up and is perhaps as much as the dog cost.

Who has spent the most time with the dog, been to puppy classes, done the walking? Who works from home so is better able to look after the dog?

How old is the dog, were they together when they got the dog?

HappiestSleeping · 13/07/2023 08:51

cinnamonfrenchtoast · 13/07/2023 07:17

This isn't true.

It was when my friend had this scenario in a divorce, and they were married.

cyncope · 13/07/2023 08:55

If the dog is chipped and registered at the vet in her name, she takes it to the vet and pays the bills, and she actually has the dog in her possession then it's leaning towards the dog being hers over him paying back the person who bought the dog over time.

WoolyMammoth55 · 13/07/2023 09:05

Hi OP, it's not really right to say it's her name but his address when they were both living at the house at the time the dog was chipped... At that point it was her name and her address, right?

This is one of those shit things where 2 people want the 1 dog and they've broken up so someone is going to be gutted...

IMHO they're going to have to come to an amicable agreement between them about who gets the dog - perhaps she'd have to partially pay your brother back for the purchase price in order to keep it?

But if she's been paying the ongoing costs of vet bills, flea treatment, insurance etc etc (I'm assuming this is why her name is on the chip?) then there'd need to be an acknowledgement of her financial contributions too. I.e. if he wants to take it he might need to partially reimburse her as well?

AlwaysTheSupplierNeverTheBride · 13/07/2023 09:17

Presumably at the time the microchip etc was registered, his address was also her address? If so this is a red herring.

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There is no one single piece of evidence that conclusively proves who owns a dog. A Small Claims Court will consider a variety of information when determining pet ownership and a District Judge is entitled to give such weight to this evidence as they deem fit.

These include written and oral evidence on:

(If it’s a tug of love kind of case) Was the dog bought prior to the relationship or during the course of the relationship (and if the latter, were you living together at the time). If the parties were living together at the time of purchase and it was a joint agreement to get a dog as a pet for the family unit, it is very likely that such a dog will be regarded as jointly owned. However, no two cases are ever the same and so bespoke advice should be sought on the particular circumstances of the case.
Who bought the dog (including whose name is on the contract made with the rescue centre or breeder)
Whose name is registered with the Kennel Club
Who is registered on the microchip database
Whose name is recorded at the vet’s practice
Who is registered on the insurance certificate
Who usually takes care of the dog
Who pays the day to day expenses for the dog
Was the dog bought as a gift

https://doglaw.co.uk/civil/ownership-custody-disputes/

Dog Custody & Ownership Disputes | Dog Law

Dog custody, ownership and tug of love cases are extremely common in UK. Cases of who owns the dog tend to be heard in the Small Claims Court.

https://doglaw.co.uk/civil/ownership-custody-disputes

Sarvanga38 · 13/07/2023 09:21

As above, the focus will be on who can be proven to have paid for vet's, insurance etc. Microchip does not prove ownership in itself. Obviously with no record of your brother having paid for purchase, this is not going to be a factor.

First and foremost though, focus needs to be on who can offer the dog the best home and not wrangling over ownership to point score and hurt the other party. Not saying that this is what your brother is doing - his motives may be entirely pure - but it often is the case and they need to make sure that isn't what's happening here.

TeleTropes · 13/07/2023 09:23

cinnamonfrenchtoast · 13/07/2023 07:17

This isn't true.

Well what is true?

cinnamonfrenchtoast · 13/07/2023 09:27

@TeleTropes as I explained upthread, the truth is that there's no one "thing" that proves ownership of a dog in the UK.

A microchip and proof of purchase in your name may help your case but if someone else has been entirely responsible for insurance, vet bills, walks, paying and organising a walker or daycare, then they'd have a pretty solid argument themselves.

In this case the ex-girlfriend has the chip in her name. She's also the one registered at the vets and who has presumably Ben organising (and paying for) all the treatment.

On the other hand OP's brother has no proof of purchase and the chip and vet registration aren't in his name. The fact that he claims to have paid for the dog several years ago is largely irrelevant really.
OP

BunnyBettChetwynd · 13/07/2023 09:30

Who is best placed to look after the dog at the moment? Who can give it the most time and best home?

CandyLeBonBon · 13/07/2023 09:31

I was in this position op. My ex took my dog. I paid for him, microchip was in my name, vet had me as registered contact etc etc.

Police told me it was a civil matter, couldn't be dealt with as theft because we'd lived together and he was a 'shared chattel' therefore I'd have to take him to the small claims court to try to get him back.

Sunnydaysarentagiveneveninjuly · 13/07/2023 09:37

Surely they know who the ddog loves best? When I bought dh a dpuppy years ago we agreed if we ever split ddog would stay with me.
Who is best able to provide for it?

MargotDeWitt · 13/07/2023 09:40

Who spent the most time with the dog? Did the dog have a favourite of the two? And what is in the dog's best interests, ie who can give the dog the best life going forward?

ImASecretLemonadeDr1nker · 13/07/2023 10:53

Can they share the dog? Seems the most sensible thing to do if they both really love it and want it. One week with one and next week with the other. Dog not a child and knows them both well so would be settled and happy I assume

Quartz2208 · 16/07/2023 17:42

Surely both of theirs and maybe they need to civility work it out

Bayleaf25 · 20/07/2023 15:36

I agree with an amicable sharing agreement. Do they both work, who looks after the dog day in day out? Can they have alternate weeks and help each other out for holidays/weekends away?

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