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Could anti anxiety medication help our rescue dog?

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Silverumbrella · 01/07/2023 22:59

We have had our rescue dog for 10 months.
Tbh, it has been far from an easy ride and has been very much up and down.

In many ways he has made great progress but there is still such a long way to go and we have had many one step forward and two steps back scenarios.

I will be honest, it’s a hard going slog and I have not found taking on a rescue the enjoyable and rewarding experience I thought it would be and I am a life long dog owner, a huge dog lover and have also previously been a dog walker, so have been around dogs all my life.

He is almost 3 and was a lockdown dog. He was purchased as a 7 week old puppy then locked in a crate for at least 12 hours per day (probably a lot longer), in a flat with no garden and was never taken out of that flat, this was for the first 18 months of his life.
Although the rescue centre explained all of this to us, we now believe he was also probably abused in some way simply by some of his behaviours. I am not sure if the rescue were aware or not but if they knew they didn’t pass on this information. We were told he is a very lively, very anxious dog with this background of being locked up but we’re assured he would be fine with a family. They assured us that he had no bite history or aggression (he has shown some aggression at times since being with us). Whilst at the rescue he had been rehomed to a couple but they returned him 3 months later stating he was too high energy for them.
He has so many anxieties. He is very, very vocal when he is stressed and will scream like a banshee. This occurs when leaving the house for walks (tried all kinds of different ways to leave the house but he still screams 10 months on), when getting in and out of the car, when any one of us takes something from the back to front of house (ie taking a bucket of water to wash the car at the front), hoovering, using noisy equipment in the kitchen etc (we obviously try to limited these active but it’s hard as some are every day essential tasks). When this happens, he will literally sound like he is screaming, he will sink his teeth into anything nearby (seemingly to alleviate his anxiety) this is usually internal and external doors and door frames, the outside gate, the car etc. He will rip/tear up throws, cushions, soft furnishings. He has ruined parts of our home.

We worked with a local behaviourist at the beginning of the year and although we have put in place all of her strategies, we really are struggling with many aspects of his behaviour still. We can no longer afford to seek the advice of a behavioural expert as I have recently lost my job and with the cost of living so high sadly the money just isn’t there for this sort of expense.

The behaviourist was against medication and said they make dogs aggressive?

I obviously want to make this better for him and for him to know he is in a safe place with no threats but it’s like a ptsd kind of thing for him, it seems so unfair to keep him at a level of such high anxiety for so much of the day even though (at the advice of the behaviourist), we have kept his world so small and quiet (he does settle down in the evenings and will snooze in the lounge with us and luckily sleep through the night). He doesn’t mind being on his own and has no issues with separation anxiety. We let him have time out whenever he needs it, there are plenty of rooms for him to go in, a large garden and his crate. We never overwhelm him.

I am wondering if he could benefit from proper anti anxiety medication from the vet. I have tried all the plug ins, the collar, zylkene, homeopathic crap, hemp oil, Anxitane, skullcap and valerian. None have helped in fact most gave him an upset tummy.
I feel our only hope is anti anxiety meds. Without this I don’t know what else to do as it seems that so many things set off his anxiety. We can’t take him to anyone else home like we have previous dogs, go out anywhere other than his walks, we can’t have people round as this causes him huge anxiety, can’t take him on holiday but can’t have holidays without him either because who would have him?
DH and I do very much love him and he is particularly fond of dh but our 15 and 18 year old are not so keen and because he is so flighty and wary he’s never really bonded with them and they with him and I feel he sees them as people to fear (I wonder if his previous owners were young?). This has left us very much not knowing what the hell to do and for me, as a mother and trying to be a responsible dog owner, torn.

I feel that putting all the behaviour strategies in place seems fruitless when he is in a state of high anxiety, surely, they would work more effectively if he was in a calmer state with meds, even if only on them temporarily?

Any advice on anti anxiety meds for dogs? Has your dog been on meds like this, did they help?

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Gsyllama · 01/07/2023 23:10

Hi, I have a lockdown pup (GSD) who has started anti anxiety meds recently (take a few weeks to work) and it's been really effective. They can help some dogs switch off and rest.
However, a responsible vet will need you to work with a behaviourist in addition, so if you can't afford one see if you can get a pet insurance that will cover the cost?
Sorry, you must be exhausted, difficult did are so intense!

Silverumbrella · 01/07/2023 23:14

Gsyllama Sadly, our insurance doesn’t cover behaviourist fees. I’ve tried looking for a behaviourist vet but there isn’t any in our area.

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Silverumbrella · 01/07/2023 23:16

Gsyllama we are exhausted tbh. We really want to do the best for him but it seems the damage the previous arsehole owners have caused is so deeply engrained in him.

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Gsyllama · 01/07/2023 23:30

Definitely ask your vet. I also didn't get any benefit from the skullcap or plugins. Increased aggression was a possible side effect, but only in a small %, and they start the dog off on a low dose to check before going to full dose.
I wonder if an online group would help, something like SpiritDogs seemed to offer online support which might be a cheaper option and a positive training approach.
Ignore all the people who don't get it and suggest quick fixes or just "show dominance" etc, and good luck

Silverumbrella · 01/07/2023 23:37

Gsyllama we are going to get him to the vet soon and will ask what they suggest. I’ve not heard of SpiritDogs I will look that up, thank you. It’s so hard as I’ve had so much ‘advice’ from friends and family, everything from ‘show him who’s boss’ to give him up and rehome him and this week my friend has said if she were me she’d have him pts because he’s just a dog at the end of they day, I honestly don’t know what to say to them. It’s so easy to make judgements and throw away remarks when you’re not in these shoes.

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IngGenius · 02/07/2023 08:53

I am so sorry that you are in this position and also that you have been conned by a "behaviourist" who is not a qualified behaviourist but they have taken your money anyway.

No qualified behaviourist would say that "medication would make dogs aggressive"

However medication is not a quick fix and does have to be used alongside a behavioural modification plan.

Unfortunately you can waste so much money on "advice" that is incorrect and not effective by using non qualified people.

Dont waste any money on otc "anxiety meds" they will not work on a highly over threshold dog.

If you can scrape the money together to get qualified advice that would be the best way forward. The behaviourist does not need to be local, a lot of behavioural work can be done via zoom. We dont need to see the exact behaviour to be able to help the situation.

Silverumbrella · 02/07/2023 10:27

Thank you IngGenius, Sadly, we just don’t have the funds to pay for advice and help right now, I was made redundant 2 weeks ago, money is very tight atm due to this and some other unexpected expenses we’ve encountered recently.
I chose the behaviourist because she came highly recommended via a local fb page, she is very popular and does have behavioural training (which she says she continues training for) but I wonder if our dogs’ issues are just too excessive for her? I follow her on fb and the bulk of her work does appear to be mainly training dogs and puppies (unless of course she doesn’t put her behaviour work on sm?).
I am hoping some short term anxiety meds alongside implementing the advice we’ve already been given and continue to learn via free online sources will start to have a greater impact than the training alone? Or maybe the advice she’s given is unsuitable for his current needs?
If this doesn’t work then I’m really not sure what we are going to do. The rescue are of no help at all and are over 4 hours away so it’s not like I can pop in on them and get some advice, although ironically the owner of the rescue is supposed to be a behaviourist herself but every time I’ve reached out to them they palm me off to someone 300 miles away, who just keep telling me to give him homeopathic remedies, tablets and tinctures and to keep his world small. I’ve tried all that but the smaller we keep his world, the more anxious he is when we try to slowly introduce him to the outer world. We can’t all live in a little bubble for the rest of our lives though.
I will try and source someone as soon as we have the funds.

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villainousbroodmare · 07/07/2023 19:05

Yes, I am a vet and I would probably start your dog on a 6 week trial of fluoxetine. It is not very expensive.
However I would be surprised if, even in conjunction with practical management strategies, it will work well enough for your dog to have a normal QoL. He sounds really severely mentally unwell and absolutely terrified.
While I appreciate that he may have had some very negative experiences in his life which have affected him, I would not ascribe all or even most of his issues to his previous owners.
There will be an enormous predisposition to innate anxiety in this dog. I would bet that least one of his parents and most of his siblings are somewhat similar.
Living in a constant state of fear is awful and much more so for an animal, who cannot understand or use the strategies that a similarly anxious person might use.
In addition there is a risk to you.
I would give this a limited time and if you do not see a substantial improvement in this animal's mental health and QoL, I would opt for merciful euthanasia.

Silverumbrella · 07/07/2023 20:07

Thank you villainousbroodmare. We have changed veterinary surgeries and have an appointment next week and hopefully the new vet will be able to advise us of the best treatment. I am hoping and praying we will not have to consider euthanasia. I had my beloved last dog pts less than a year ago and even though he was riddled with cancer and could not possibly have continue living as he was, the experience still haunts me.
Never, did we envisage giving up our time and home to a rescue only to have to end his life at such a young age and so shortly after rehoming him. There is also the issue of the jointly owned agreement we signed with the rescue centre. I know they would rather him go back to them than for us to end his life. They are over 6 hours away from us and although they are doing their best, frankly, the place is a nightmare imo. I would hate for him to go back there.
There are many times throughout the day when he is a very happy young dog. He has spent this afternoon snuggling up to me on a deckchair in the garden, he loves his walks (and meeting other dogs) and time spent with dh and I in the evenings in our lounge watching tv or listening to music. I am hoping that, with some meds and continued small step exposure therapy, we will help get him to a better place. When we first got him, I promised him our home would be his forever home and he will never be at risk of neglect or poorly treated ever again.
However, it obviously goes without saying that we could not allow any animal in our care to suffer either from any physical or mental health issue and if he was in a heightened state of anxiety 24/7 then we would have little options left to persue. If it transpires that he does have some kind of inherited anxiety traits which are causing him untold, uncontrollable anxiousness then we may be faced with no viable options for our future together. Having him pts will be our absolute very last resort after we have exhausted all other options. I pray that will never be one a reality for us all.

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justgettingthroughtheday · 07/07/2023 20:27

I too have a difficult reactive dog and have been where you are in terms of thinking about medication.
I think it would be a good idea to try.

What is his current routine? Does he have a fixed routine?
What has helped massively for mine is having life very very predictable. She is fed at the same time each day. I come in and out at the same times etc.
o no longer walk her in public. Ever. She is either at home with me or we go 3x a week to a secure dog field with some friends. Beyond this she is never walked. Simply because she cannot cope.
I have a decent sized garden she has free access to and is in effect an extension of the house to her.
We do lots of mental stimulation at home instead. But for a long time it was very low pressure. She was also on rescue remedy 4x a day for a long time and it did really help. I also have no visitors beyond people in 'her club' of people she loves.

Life is very centred around her needs.

I wonder wherever a few months of zero pressure and routine combined with medication might just help.

Silverumbrella · 07/07/2023 20:43

justgettingthroughtheday he does have quite a routine and structured day tbh. I take him on a morning walk at the same time each day, we either go over the fields across the road from us or via a local country road walk around the village, they are literally the only two places we walk. He will have the same walk in the afternoon also.
We have no visitors other than my dd friends (they pop over maybe once a week or fortnight) but they go straight upstairs to her room and he isn’t allowed upstairs as we have a stair gate across the downstairs hallway. DS drives so is out and about most of the time these days.
Our dog has access to our good sized garden at all times and at this time of the year the back door is left open for him (he has absolutely no issues out there and will happily potter around the garden sniffing and scratching), I have just purchased a few agility toys for the garden which we will try. He goes to bed in the kitchen at roughly the same time each night and (luckily) has slept through since day one. We eat our evening meal roughly the same time and ge will have his with us (obviously not at the table lol).

Is the rescue remedy you use the same as the human one? How do you administer that? I will try anything tbh.

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Silverumbrella · 07/07/2023 20:45

justgettingthroughtheday Life is also very centred around his needs. How do you live with that long term? I do find making his world small has also made ours very much so also and that takes some getting used to.

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Eastcoaster · 07/07/2023 20:45

Our dog has anxiety which gets quite severe whilst travelling. I know that Banshee squealing sound well! Our vet wasn’t keen on giving us medication full time and encouraged us to continue with training and behaviourists although did agree to give us a prescription of Trazodone for when we are going on holiday with him which worked wonders. I would recommend Absolute Dogs. They have different training courses and books to suit budgets and their training is based around games for your dog so easy to do around the house. It worked well for my dog and he loves the games. It’s centred around building their confidence. His anxiety doesn’t sound as if it’s just as severe as your dogs but worth a try.

it sounds like you are already doing so much for him and that’s amazing. I hope it’s easier for you all.

Potentialmadcatlady · 07/07/2023 20:57

I have a dog who is on fluoxetine.
After a long chat with our vet we agreed to try it for six months to see if it helped our rescue dog. It has helped in lots of ways and helped to decrease a lot of unwanted behaviours- fear aggression, stress peeing on beds etc. Vet offered to pts as he believes our dog is not only damaged due to abuse before she was rescued but also thinks she has brain damage due to interbreeding in puppy farm. We agreed to give her a full year more to see if she would improve and in a lot of ways she has. The meds help take the edge off which then gives you a chance to help train them into more constructive behaviours but it isn’t a miracle cure. For instance our dog cannot cope with walks, I have literally tried everything but nothing worked so on vets orders we no longer walk her and she is much more settled. The stress of walks and resultant days of high alert we’re doing her more harm than good. She gets socialised with other dogs in our own garden and that works well.
Insurance will cover the meds if its on vets orders but not behaviourist. We did try behaviourist help but some for some dogs it just doesn’t help, the damage is too great.
I will pts my dog in another six months if her life ( and ours) hasn’t improved enough for me to consider her settled and happy within our home. Sometimes it is the kinder thing to do.

Silverumbrella · 07/07/2023 21:31

Thank you Eastcoaster I hope the vet will be able to offer us something that we can trial even just for short term. I will look at Absolute Dogs.
Potentialmadcatlady I really do hope you find some solution for your situation. Having to face having an animal pts is just a horrible decision for any pet owner to contemplate but I totally understand what you are saying and why you would need to make that decision. When we take on a rescue we really have no idea of their background or inherited behaviours/genes etc. I personally wouldn’t dream of purchasing a puppy from a puppy farm or back yard breeder but in retrospect now realise that that’s most probably what we have taken on when rehoming a rescue dog. I should have given that a lot more thought. We will (hopefully) be able to trial some kind of medication and maybe tweak his routine and just give it some more time. I will hope and pray we will see even more positive changes, for he is better behaved than he was 6 months ago so I will hold o to that hope but if not then we may have to bring to mind the unthinkable!

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Potentialmadcatlady · 07/07/2023 21:41

If you do try meds don’t forget they can take a while to work. Also it might help you to know that you can get fluoxetine mixed into chicken flavour liquid. Depends on the size of your dog, my one is too light for tablets available so has to have liquid. The chicken one is more expensive but easy to get into her, the ordinary one is v bitter and hard to get her to take.
I hope it helps for your one. It helped my one very obviously straight away which gave us hope we could help her. She will never be a happy healthy dog but if I can keep her content and settled that is good enough. I don’t give up easily and will fight hard for her but having fostered for many years I know sometimes it is kinder to let them go… much harder for us but kinder for them.
Have you tried a thunder shirt? That helps my girl too.

justgettingthroughtheday · 08/07/2023 01:19

@Silverumbrella yes I use the human one. The one you can get for kids doesn't have any alcohol in it but tbh I just by the regular one!

I use a lot of licki mats for mine as it really helps calm her. Licking is very close to suckling and really helps some dogs to settle. So I just put a few drops on her mats.
But I use mats for virtually all feeding. If I'm feeding out of a bowl I would just pop it on their food. You can also put it in their water.

As for how we do this long term? Honestly I don't know! I'm lucky that I have some good local friends (who I met through my dog's behaviourist) who get it. They also have / had reactive dogs. Our dogs have got to know each other over the last couple of years and are now very comfortable around one another. So we book secure fields together several times a week. The dogs get to play and we can let off steam and support each other and bounce ideas off one another. Its brilliant because a lot of regular dog owners just don't get it!
I'm actually autistic so having a limited number of visitors etc doesn't worry me too much.

ErniesGhostlyGoldTops · 08/07/2023 01:23

Have you tried plugging his ears with cotton wool?

I know it sounds barmy but I used to work with a lady who rescued dogs and she said if all else failed she would plug their ears, put them in a 'thunder shirt' and put them on a meat only diet as the carbs gave them too much energy that manifest itself in nervous energy was her way of putting it.

Thunder shirts definitely work. It's like a swaddle on a baby or a twitch on a horse.

Silverumbrella · 08/07/2023 11:13

Thank you Potentialmadcatlady
Also it might help you to know that you can get fluoxetine mixed into chicken flavour liquid.
I will ask about this as he is quite fussy taking ‘plain’ meds. I do often wonder about a thunder vest, he does seem to relax well if you hug him tight.
justgettingthroughtheday Sadly we can’t use licki mats as it was one of the reasons the previous adopters returned him as he would eat the licki mats and ended up having to have one surgically removed! I will see if I can pop a few drops on some of his meat instead. Sounds like a good idea meeting up with other reactive dog owners, I’ll have a look around and see if there are any fellow owners in our area. I totally understand about not worrying about visitors to the house, I’m awaiting an autism assessment and my house is my sanctuary so I’m personally happy having very few visitors I just worry for my dc.
ErniesGhostlyGoldTops we have to be careful with his ears as he is prone to ear infections which have made him aggressive when he’s suffered from them. I will definitely try the thunder shirt though, thank you.

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Silverumbrella · 08/07/2023 11:21

Just to show that he’s not always full
of anxiety, he does have his chill out moments lol

Could anti anxiety medication help our rescue dog?
Could anti anxiety medication help our rescue dog?
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villainousbroodmare · 08/07/2023 17:08

Is he an itchy scratchy dog? Most dogs who get recurring ear infections are atopic (allergic to multiple things in their environment) which is very annoying/ uncomfortable for them and definitely doesn't help them settle. There are a couple of good newish treatments which would help : Apoquel tablets might suit him. Monthly injection is the other option which would be trickier.

justgettingthroughtheday · 08/07/2023 21:00

@Silverumbrella this is what I use licki mat wise. It's tough plastic like a food bowl rather than the silicone ones. It spins too so it adds another layer of complexity which has stopped either of mine chewing them.

Outward Hound Nina Ottosson Lickin' Layers Interactive Dog Puzzle Game and Slow Feeder amzn.eu/d/6gyXXDE

justgettingthroughtheday · 08/07/2023 21:10

@Silverumbrella I've sent you a pm

IkaBaar · 08/07/2023 21:18

Our rescue dog had anti-anxiety medication on the advice of a behaviourist. She had also been rehomed before us. She was had separation anxiety though.

It worked for her alongside the behaviourists other advice. She was also helped my Zyklene. Time also helps!

In your case I’d ask the vet to give it a try.

Silverumbrella · 09/07/2023 10:28

villainousbroodmare he isn’t particularly scratchy but I will look into that, thanks.
Thank you justgettingthroughtheday, they look idea.

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