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ismu · 11/06/2023 18:18

@HareRaising absolutely, ours detested his crate and now he just sleeps in various places around the house except his expensive dog bed.
I would just like to add that conditioning dogs/ children/ other animals to accept something they don't need at that time "just in case they need it later " is a bit of a waste of time. Like teaching children to write their name before they go to school... it's meaningless and won't make the difference you think it will because the context is totally different- in the vets they will be in a strange situation and possibly sedated too- you won't be able to prepare for this at all.

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Excitedannie · 11/06/2023 18:54

PucketyPuckPuck · 11/06/2023 14:40

Also op @Excitedannie , which of these are actually true because you seemed to change your tune halfway through the thread.

You started by saying what do you do about crated dogs when it's warm? I'd rather not leave her out of it because she'll think that's the norm.

You then agreed with a poster who said they'd taken the door off their cage when they bought it and said that's what you do.

Which was true?

Seriously - I was done about 12 hours ago - I've moved on today, one would have hoped that you have too.

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PucketyPuckPuck · 11/06/2023 19:38

Seriously - I was done about 12 hours ago - I've moved on today, one would have hoped that you have too

If you like @Excitedannie. Conveniently, being 'done' for you has coincided with being caught out making two directly contradictory statements on your own thread 😂

No need to clarify, it's clearly touched a nerve - which I assume means your poor dog will continue being locked in a cage each night in this heat, so she doesn't think not being so is 'the norm'.

Eternallyoptimistic20 · 11/06/2023 19:42

How anyone can think it’s acceptable to lock a dog in a cage for hours at an end is beyond belief . All this crap about how much they love them etc, maybe ok if they can get out and are not basically locked in .

Eternallyoptimistic20 · 11/06/2023 19:45

@Excitedannie don’t ask for advice if you don’t want people’s opinions/advice on caging whoops crating your dog !

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Excitedannie · 11/06/2023 20:20

Seriously. Stop. I asked for advice on crating overnight in warm weather and what people do. I took advice from those that offered it against my original post and all good. I did not ask for advice on whether crates are cruel or not.

I've got what I needed from this post, but if those few of you on here want to continue to argue your point then please feel free. I'm afraid some people are not willing to accept that their opinions are not always accepted by others. My puppy was very happy last night - she had her crate, the door was open, she had access to fresh water etc. She was still in there this morning but who knows - she may have got up in the night to wander.

Now enough. Go and jump on another thread with your judgemental, nasty, attitudes.

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timegoingtooquickly · 11/06/2023 20:22

Some of you have no idea. We've a dog with dementia who gets very distressed if he isn't crated 🙄. Stop being so bloody judgemental

HareRaising · 11/06/2023 20:33

My puppy was very happy last night - she had her crate, the door was open, she had access to fresh water etc.

Very happy to hear this OP.

xoomer · 11/06/2023 20:56

If the door to the create is open, if she's hot she can move elsewhere?

meatbaseddessert · 11/06/2023 21:04

Our pup was crated overnight until she was about 1. Warmer climate than UK and our pup runs hot as she's a rescue farm dog. She had her own fan in summer and we removed big poofy bedding and replaced with some blankets and a comfy cushion for one side of the crate. She'd happily stay in there all night and would still be fast asleep when DH left for work.

Fiddlerdragon · 11/06/2023 22:36

Groutyonehereagain · 11/06/2023 00:36

Such ignorance and unnecessary rudeness.

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3 years working in a dog rescue in the uk. 3 years part owning a podenco rescue in Spain. 13 years back in the uk arranging transportation and doing home checks for multiple rescues, now a treasurer for one of the largest rescue organisations in the world whilst volunteering for the dogs trust. I’m not ignorant, and I was polite implying that it’s ‘uncool’ to let your dog bake in a cage overnight for your own convenience. I actually think it’s fucking disgusting.

Groutyonehereagain · 12/06/2023 03:56

Fiddlerdragon · 11/06/2023 22:36

3 years working in a dog rescue in the uk. 3 years part owning a podenco rescue in Spain. 13 years back in the uk arranging transportation and doing home checks for multiple rescues, now a treasurer for one of the largest rescue organisations in the world whilst volunteering for the dogs trust. I’m not ignorant, and I was polite implying that it’s ‘uncool’ to let your dog bake in a cage overnight for your own convenience. I actually think it’s fucking disgusting.

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I feel utterly sick that you have managed to reach the conclusion that I leave my beloved puppy to bake overnight in a cage, for my own convenience. You have no idea what is going on here and I deeply resent what you’ve posted. Your experiences have clearly affected you but coming on here and judging me, without actually knowing how we treat our dog is out of order. I’ve had pet dogs all my life and they are my life. We lost our last dog last year at age 13. I was devastated but I took solace in the fact that she had a fantastic life with us. She was loved and cared for in an exemplary way. And yes she was crate trained as a puppy. It’s fine if you do it correctly.

Groutyonehereagain · 12/06/2023 04:14

This is groutypup in her new basket asleep. Due to the warmer weather, and her age, she is now eight months,mand very well behaved, we knew the time was right to move her into a comfy basket. You can’t see much of her, she’s the darker, fluffy form stretched out next to her white teddy.

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Groutyonehereagain · 12/06/2023 04:20

Image was taken on the pup cam, just now. I love that I can easily check on her. I love her so much. 🐾🐶❤️

Groutyonehereagain · 12/06/2023 04:24

She’s just wriggling about now to get comfy.

timegoingtooquickly · 12/06/2023 06:24

@Fiddlerdragon yes I'm fucking disgusting keeping my dog with dementia safe in his large crate 🙄

schnauzerbeard · 12/06/2023 06:25

My dog is crate trained but I would never crate my dog overnight. I don't understand the benefits?

HandbagsnGladrags · 12/06/2023 06:42

Excitedannie · 11/06/2023 20:20

Seriously. Stop. I asked for advice on crating overnight in warm weather and what people do. I took advice from those that offered it against my original post and all good. I did not ask for advice on whether crates are cruel or not.

I've got what I needed from this post, but if those few of you on here want to continue to argue your point then please feel free. I'm afraid some people are not willing to accept that their opinions are not always accepted by others. My puppy was very happy last night - she had her crate, the door was open, she had access to fresh water etc. She was still in there this morning but who knows - she may have got up in the night to wander.

Now enough. Go and jump on another thread with your judgemental, nasty, attitudes.

I think some of them have jumped on my thread about taking your dog to the pub.

We have a crate trained dog too. He takes himself in there when he's ready for bed. But the door is left open for if he wants to move somewhere cooler.

coffeecupsandwaxmelts · 12/06/2023 07:00

We have a crate trained dog too. He takes himself in there when he's ready for bed. But the door is left open for if he wants to move somewhere cooler.

PP weren't talking about dogs being left in crates with open doors though - they were talking about dogs being shut in crates overnight with no option to move elsewhere in a heatwave.

Two very different scenarios.

xoomer · 12/06/2023 07:04

Yes there is a mix of people who close the door or who leave it open.

I wouldn't class a dog sleeping in the crate with the door open as "kept in a crate overnight" because they can come and go as they please, walk around. It's just a safe place for them.

coffeecupsandwaxmelts · 12/06/2023 07:08

schnauzerbeard · 12/06/2023 06:25

My dog is crate trained but I would never crate my dog overnight. I don't understand the benefits?

I mean, there are lots of benefits to it but I personally don't think they outweigh the negatives when the weather is the way it is.

WoofWoofBeachLife · 12/06/2023 07:16

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Tygertiger · 12/06/2023 07:17

A crate with the door open isn’t cruel. It’s no different to a basket in that regard. That’s not what the issue is here.

A crate with the door shut is a cage. This is fine for puppies who are not reliably toilet trained but once they are able to hold themselves overnight there should be no reasons for shutting the door at night. There are no other pet species which could be left overnight in a cage which is just about big enough for it to stand up and turn around but that’s it, and it would be deemed OK. If this were a rabbit or hamster it would be considered abuse. But for some reason a culture has developed around dogs that it’s acceptable and it’s not. Yes, of course there are times when dogs need to be caged for their own safety or if they have a temporary illness. We’re not talking about that. We’re talking about dogs in a cage night after night with no option to leave until their owner lets them out in the morning. Dogs should sleep in a dog-proofed room with the crate door open so they can move about and choose for themselves where they sleep.

I wonder how many of these dogs who are crated at night are also in them during the day for periods too, and how many hours out of the 24 they are effectively locked in a tiny cage. And yes, dogs sleep a lot but that’s not the point. They sleep, then get up, have a little wander, look out of the window, go back to sleep. Dogs in a crate can’t display any natural behaviour. We wouldn’t do it to a zoo animal but it’s OK to do it to a pet apparently. It’s all a gross misinterpretation of what “crate training” is. Crate training is getting a dog to be happy in a crate with the door open, and in one where the door might need to be shut for temporary reasons such as lots of visitors or if the dog is injured. It’s categorically not about getting a dog to accept long-term confinement once past the toilet-training stage, purely for the owner’s convenience.

sunglassesonthetable · 12/06/2023 07:21

When posters use the word 'crate' do they indeed mean a tiny cage with a dog locked in for hours on end?🙄 Please.

That's just what some posters WANT to think.

Nowanextraone · 12/06/2023 07:37

Excitedannie · 11/06/2023 00:53

The haters have made me doubt the last 6 months of caring for my puppy so I've just been googling. Crate training is absolutely recommended by professionals to help the dog have a safe space

I think some people are just stuck in old ways and don't want to embrace new research or methods and prefer to be blinkered or ignorant. Personally I think it's cruel to NOT give a dog the option of creating their own safe space but like I've said many times, it's each to their own but I feel confident I've done/doing the right thing

Absolutely. We now have 3 dogs after taking in my mother in laws greyhound when she passed away.
All dogs became anxious when I left the house. I introduced crates, and suddenly they don't care when I leave and put themselves in their crates. The dog trainer I spoke to said that it means they all have less space to worry about, and feel safe and contained and m in their crates rather than pacing the house and howling for me to come home.
Please don't let people make you feel bad.