Puppy won't sleep

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Help or ideas very much needed, we have a 14 week old puppy who still crys all night, my husband in my opinion has been to soft of her, she is clever and has learnt that is she barks he will let her out and sleep on the sofa with her.
We have two children and neighbours so I understand his point we can't just let her cry all night as it will wake them all up.
We also have an older dog who started sleeping on our bed when we suddenly lost our old dog, he is very attracted to me and now also howls when left downstairs! Any ideas very much appreciated on how to get them both to sleep downstairs and me and my husband in our bed!

By let her out I'm presuming she's in a crate? Can you leave the crate door open? Maybe she's cold, or wants to stretch or move somewhere else?

I tried getting my puppy to sleep downstairs, but she sleeps on my bed now and sleeps for a longer stretch (by hours) than I do. She does like to change position in the night though so I don't think would be as content if her movement was restricted.

You have two issues here - a young puppy who probably still needs reassurance and toilet breaks in the night, and an older dog who appears to be developing separation anxiety.

So, you need to decide where the dogs are going to sleep long-term, and then work your way backwards.

But don't forget the puppy will still need to be let out during the night for the toilet which will disturb the older dog. They're also likely to want to start their day earlier and may need more reassurance to get back to sleep.

Many people sleep downstairs with the puppy all night and slowly move further away as the puppy settles and becomes more confident (this can take weeks). Or, you can have the puppy in with you and slowly transition them to sleeping further away until they're happy sleeping alone downstairs.

The older dog may adapt quicker or they may decide they love the comfort of being in with you and refuse to settle elsewhere

Oh yes she wants to sleep on the sofa with my husband! I have suggested bringing her upstairs but he is very anti that idea as he wants the older dog to start sleeping downstairs as well again. More then happy to let her out at night we expect that. But last night she went to bed at 1 woke up at 3.30 and then barked until my husband slept on the sofa with her! The dream of her sleeping from 12-7 with just being let out for a wee feels very far away atm!

dear god woman she's a baby who has been taken away from her mother and siblings. Of course she's going to cry. The best way to get a happy, unstressed, dog is to sleep with her, or let her sleep in your room. We always had a rota for sleeping with new dogs on the sofa - the DC would fight over it to get extra shifts.

Your DH has the right idea.

I recommend joining this FB group - Dog Training Advice and Support - staffed by professionals, not a discussion forum, and read the files on puppy rearing. https://www.facebook.com/groups/374160792599484

Dear God to you woman can you read? I'm the one who wants her to sleep in the bedroom.......

The puppy is 14 weeks so not exactly ripped from her mothers breast.

I would have both dogs downstairs and set up a camp bed etc in the same room as you want them to sleep. Gradually just move the human bed away from the dogs until you are sleeping in the next room then move upstairs again when the dogs are happily settled in the downstairs room.

What breed of dog?

Stayed downstairs with pup 8 weeks old. He's in crate I'm on a mattress next to him. Talked quietly to him when he whined. Whined a little bit less each night. Moved mattress a bit further away each night. After about 10 nights I was in the hall and then I went back upstairs. Toilet break at 2am til he's about 12 weeks then slept through.
Maybe try something similar if you want dogs to sleep downstairs. Crates are a godsend... pup takes himself to bed it's his safe space.