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Golden Retriever?

92 replies

WolfieWolfie · 15/03/2023 19:22

Considering getting a show line golden retriever. A few things putting me off …

“endless energy” … are they really bouncing off the walls 24/7?

“Can never let them off lead as they’ll want to play with every dog they see despite training” - so you really can’t train them reliable recall?

“difficult to train as so stubborn”

Can anyone in the know shed any light?

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WolfieWolfie · 16/03/2023 06:52

Shesinthegym · 15/03/2023 23:47

I find these replies quite surprising.

GR are used as guide dogs for a reason! It’s because they are easy to train, loyal, biddable, eager to pleased, gentle and just amazing.

I don’t know who told you all that about them but it’s not something I have ever come across. I know a hell of a lot of GR for various reasons. They are a bit more challenging during adolescence but in my experience less challenging than other breeds due this period. They are much calmer than any other dogs I know. They do have energy because they are big dogs so do need regular walks and mental stimulation but they cope if they have to miss one walk occasionally and are happy to potter about or sleep after a walk or game. Working line will have a bit more energy of course.

I totally disagree with the pp who said show lines are not bred for obedience. Never experienced this in all my years.

They do love company and people but can be left for reasonable periods.

All mine have perfect recall. Even in the presence of deer or rabbits. I can walk them off lead anywhere even by roads and can bring them to heal and walk them to heal whenever.
Mine have never been destructive or chewed etc…
Mine will not approach dogs or people unless invited to. They actually are uninterested in others and prefer to mooch along smelling. One does venture quite far but will recall and always finds us. I know she’s not up to mischief even if I can’t see her as she’s just occupied sniffing stuff.

They do like mud and water and the fur is unreal. You will have fur on furniture, clothes, in food and even in things the dog has never been near. It just gets everywhere no matter how much you hoover. They splatter mud on walls etc even if you wash them after walks because of their double coat it’s impossible to get it all off. You need to groom them a lot.
I have never met a GR that drools.

If their recall is rubbish or they are a pain etc it’s down to inadequate or lack of training. For a breed that is the most chosen to be trained to guide it’s unlikely that they are so poorly behaved and hard to train just coz. Of course they all have unique personalities and quirks because they are animals and are not perfect but I find it hard to believe that a dogs recall is crap purely down to who they are.

they are greedy yes.
most are absolutely bomb proof and patient with dc etc.
never met a bad one.

Would you be willing to pm me the name of your breeder? Your dogs sound perfect (and yes, training is a massive thing for me, all the way up to KC gold and beyond

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GlassBunion · 16/03/2023 07:26

I just wanted to add, you will be stopped every few minutes because passers by want to stroke them and say things like ' oh isn't he beautiful/gorgeous/friendly etc...' especially by younger men for some reason.

Oh, and you'll need a Miele Cat and Dog vacuum cleaner.

lifeturnsonadime · 16/03/2023 08:54

If their recall is rubbish or they are a pain etc it’s down to inadequate or lack of training

I am sorry but this simply isn't always true. We tried everything to get our GR to recall including a well recommended gun dog trainer. He ultimately (after many months) that we keep her on lead as she has a strong prey drive and is a danger to herself and others if she ran onto a road.

Manybeards · 16/03/2023 08:55

Mine has to say hello to absolutely everyone you walk past

lifeturnsonadime · 16/03/2023 08:56

I have had dogs all my life, but she is my first golden. She is the only dog I've ever had that I can't trust off lead.

I have a cairn terrier as well who is younger who runs aside off lead. She was easier to train with recall despite being a traditionally harder breed to train.

QueefQueen80s · 16/03/2023 09:22

GlassBunion · 16/03/2023 07:26

I just wanted to add, you will be stopped every few minutes because passers by want to stroke them and say things like ' oh isn't he beautiful/gorgeous/friendly etc...' especially by younger men for some reason.

Oh, and you'll need a Miele Cat and Dog vacuum cleaner.

This is true and I love it, great ice breaker.

CrotchetyQuaver · 16/03/2023 09:36

Having seen a lifelong friend of my DD lose her lovely boy at around 2 to epilepsy, I'd suggest do your research into the bloodlines very carefully. It only started when he was a hear old and the seizures and meds took their toll on all of them. Physically, financially and emotionally. An absolute tragedy to observe and the breeder (KC etc etc) claimed it had never happened before...

Undisclosedlocation · 16/03/2023 09:44

If their recall is rubbish or they are a pain etc it’s down to inadequate or lack of training.

As an owner of goldies and dog trainer I would have to disagree a little here. The VAST majority of goldies with good training can learn to do almost anything, recall included. However there are always exceptions. High prey drive is an incredibly difficult distraction to work against and the rare dog within a breed will fall outside the norm and require different management.

Panicmode1 · 16/03/2023 10:19

Another one saying poor recall isn't necessarily always down to the training..or lack of. I did HUGE amounts with mine, KC puppy classes etc, and very early on went to a gun dog trainer for help when everything I was doing only worked some of the time. He told me he had never come across a dog who was so wilful at such a young age! He advised me to be brutally strict with her ('always or never' being his mantra - ie never let a dog get away with an unwanted behaviour even once). 99% of the time she is fine off lead, but the 1% of times she scents something, or wants to do her own thing, there is NOTHING that will stop her, so I am far more cautious about having her off lead than my husband. And as I said upthread, she's never been quite the same around food since the chemo/steroid drug combination she was on - she is ALWAYS hungry.

notthisagainforest · 16/03/2023 10:23

Lovely dogs but the hair is awful.

Shesinthegym · 16/03/2023 10:27

I do understand there will be exceptions and they can have a high prey drive which is near impossible to train out but I’m still surprised so many people experience bad recall and behaviour with a GR. There can’t all be the exception and some of it must be down to training for whatever reason.

Admittedly my current girl is not perfect obviously. She’s a dog when all said and done. Although my post made her sound that way. Yes she’s excellent with all the things mentioned but she does good steal when we are not looking and you cannot satisfy her hunger she id always after her next meal. She does bark at the door and I’m sure other misdemeanours i can’t think of right now.

op il pm you the breeder.
Also as a pp said they can be prone to a host of health issues. Even with all the testing it’s a gamble. One of mine had all the scores done including eye tests and I’m still convinced she was partially blind.

Shesinthegym · 16/03/2023 10:28

Food steal

Manybeards · 16/03/2023 10:33

Absolute food hoovers

SirSamVimesCityWatch · 16/03/2023 11:31

Mine doesn't steal food either. She will only eat food from her bowl or that is handed directly to her. We can put a plate down on the living room floor and leave the room and she won't touch it.

They can apparently have issues with resource guarding (getting aggressive when others get near their food) so we used to interrupt her eating and take her bowl away for five, ten seconds and then give it back when she was a puppy. She will still let us do that now at almost ten.

Panicmode1 · 16/03/2023 12:30

OMG...just got home from the office for my lunch break. The dog managed to snaffle half of the sponge cake that DS made and was being left to cool before icing...(strike day project). 😡 Doesn't matter how many times I tell them not to leave food accessible....!

LBF2020 · 16/03/2023 14:41

GlassBunion · 16/03/2023 07:26

I just wanted to add, you will be stopped every few minutes because passers by want to stroke them and say things like ' oh isn't he beautiful/gorgeous/friendly etc...' especially by younger men for some reason.

Oh, and you'll need a Miele Cat and Dog vacuum cleaner.

I was driving my H's car, it's a pick up so the dog rides up front with me. Someone flagged me down on our road, just to tell me that my GR is very handsome 🤣 He obliged by sticking his head in to this ladies face and gave her a kiss 😂

LBF2020 · 16/03/2023 14:46

And also to add.. ours has a very high prey drive (kills rats!!) but we have been able to train him to ignore our chickens and ducks. They walk underneath his belly and he just watches them. They are regularly in the garden together unattended.
If I had a pet rabbit/squirrel/deer 🤣 to train him with I do think I could stop him chasing them.
A few weeks ago we saw a fox just on the pathway in front of us. It quickly ran off with the hairy beast barrelling behind him. He ran in to the woods but came back within the minute. I was chuffed with that.

Hoppinggreen · 16/03/2023 17:56

LBF2020 · 16/03/2023 14:41

I was driving my H's car, it's a pick up so the dog rides up front with me. Someone flagged me down on our road, just to tell me that my GR is very handsome 🤣 He obliged by sticking his head in to this ladies face and gave her a kiss 😂

We have literally had people run after us shouting “excuse me, is that a Golden Retriever, can we stroke him?”
My friend has 3 and she can hardly move 10 yards without being stopped

WolfieWolfie · 16/03/2023 18:22

Hoppinggreen · 16/03/2023 17:56

We have literally had people run after us shouting “excuse me, is that a Golden Retriever, can we stroke him?”
My friend has 3 and she can hardly move 10 yards without being stopped

This would drive mad, I’m not a sociable creature 😂 I’d have to employ the whole headphones routine

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SirSamVimesCityWatch · 16/03/2023 18:47

Mine ignores dogs but actively seeks out people to say hello get a cuddle. If you're antisocial you might not enjoy being a Goldie owner! Also as puppies they are absolute people magnets.

whattodo8 · 16/03/2023 18:51

lifeturnsonadime · 16/03/2023 08:54

If their recall is rubbish or they are a pain etc it’s down to inadequate or lack of training

I am sorry but this simply isn't always true. We tried everything to get our GR to recall including a well recommended gun dog trainer. He ultimately (after many months) that we keep her on lead as she has a strong prey drive and is a danger to herself and others if she ran onto a road.

Agree. In some cases yes but not all.

I know plenty of failed guide dogs who are GRs 😁 some GRs are particularly 'spirited' shall we say. But yes some people won't train any dog well enough which will be shown through various issues.

bamboonights · 16/03/2023 21:00

I have to agree with the posters who say that a GR with no recall is one who hasn't been trained consistently. Also MOST dogs under 12 months find other dogs the most interesting thing on the planet (breed dependent). Our was the best family pet on the planet, but he was constantly and consistently trained (ie daily, all of his life - you never stop!

ilovepixie · 16/03/2023 22:22

Are goldens hard to house train? My nephew has a boy golden about 14 weeks old and he's not getting it at all!

Awkwardusername · 16/03/2023 22:27

Our golden has excellent recall…until she sees another golden!

Vipodcasting · 17/03/2023 10:43

Guide Dog Owner here: My first guide was a lab retriever cross but, definitely had more of the lab personality as I’ve now come to understand.

Current guide is a retriever and like many others, I had concerns around the things I’d heard about the breed such as their stubbornness.

I needn’t have worried. Pyrgo is a fantastic worker, is rightly cautious when approaching obstacles, curbs, steps etc.

He ha some stubborn elements but, they are around good traits such as him slowing down or stopping for moving things on pavements like cycles and electric scooters. It works because no matter how much I encourage him (positive reinforcement context), he will not be moved and just wages his tail when he shows me that he was right and I was wrong.

He is gentle and kind which are other retriever traits.

I understand that they are easy to train and that would make sense as they are bright dogs.

I have had to work on my retrievers recall a bit but, liver paste seems to do the trick as does making good use of the touch command which is routine when working with a guide dog but, is great for other scenarios where you want your dog to focus on you.

My dog was also a bit indifferent toward me at first but, bare in mind he’d been puppy raised; trained and boarded by others before coming to me.

They say that retrievers are incredibly loyal once they bond with you and that is certainly my experience a year and a Hal into our relationship.

Hope this helps.

paul