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advice about bitey puppy

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highlandcoo · 31/12/2022 09:56

We've had our 14-week-old puppy for almost four weeks now and it's all going well. He's slept 8 hours in his crate since the first night home with no whimpering; toilet training is pretty sorted with only the odd accident when he's got excited around visitors and we've taken our eye off the ball; he's learned some commands like Sit and Down with lots of enthusiasm and recall is reallly progressing. He's lovely on the whole.
However .. his bitiness has really increased recently.

He's chomping like mad on metal chair legs and the edge of his bed as well as the usual Kongs and antlers and Yak bars so I'm sure there's teething going on.
Some of the bitiness is definitely him trying to play too. I'll be tickling his tummy and he'll be reaching down trying to mouth my hand. There's no aggression there. In that case I stop playing, move away for a short time and return and start to play again, leave when he tries to mouth my hand, rinse and repeat. That's fine.
What I'm not happy about is he's now protesting when we put his harness on to go out (for frequent toileting) and twisting round trying to nip our hands. We can't calmly remove ourselves from that situation as obviously he needs to go out regularly. Similarly when we come in and I want to wipe his paws on an old towel (it's very wet here at the moment and garden a bit muddy). I've started to scatter a few small treats to distract him while I wipe his paws and it's a race to get that done before we get into a wrestling match. I'm not sure if that's the right approach though.
Nipping is definitely worse in the couple of crazy hours in the evening when he's getting overtired but not yet able to settle. Last night for the first time when I got hold of him to stop him getting something off the side table (usually he'll lie on the sofa late evening and not bother what else is around) he twisted round to try to nip me in protest and that was an unwelcome first. Mornings are much better and late evening he's normally pretty placid too.
The breeder provided a couple of pages of printed advice when we picked him up, and her view was that to stop nipping we should tap him with a rolled up newspaper, not to hurt but just to startle enough to stop the behaviour. That didn't feel right to us and we haven't ever done it .. and the nipping wasn't a problem until this last week.
I'd really like to solve this before it progresses into something trickier. Or will he naturally grow out of it when his teething sorts itself out? He's a lovely pup and at the moment is curled up in his bed very happily.

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AnotherAppleThief · 31/12/2022 10:01

Normal! And yes he will grow out of it. Instead of walking away and causing frustration, introduce a toy to the play and show hom whatever is allowed to bite. He's a baby and needs to bite and chew and sock and wrestle. He will mature and learn what he is allowed to bite and what he isn't.

apintofrum · 31/12/2022 10:13

Normal - but doesn't make it easy! Confused

For the harness and drying paws, you could try teaching those both as trained behaviours. Useful behaviours for the future and something to work on training now so win win. Mine are trained to stick their own head through their harness and then stand still and square while I buckle up (so reward brought forward to where their nose is when stood straight). For paws they know to sit on the mat and offer paws for me to dry. They come into the house on their release cue. For both behaviours, treats posted in pretty constantly in the early days. Now it's just habit.

highlandcoo · 31/12/2022 10:13

Thanks Apple, yes actually I forgot to say I do try to redirect with a rubber bone or similar as much as possible.
That's reassuring and he naturally has a gentle nature; when he's calm early and late in the day he'll let me put my finger in his mouth and rub toothpaste on his teeth so I think that's encouraging.

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maddy68 · 31/12/2022 10:14

When he catches you. Yelp really loudly. That's how they learn to respect

AnotherAppleThief · 31/12/2022 10:16

Try soft toys, teddies etc. Ours found these better than hard rubber toys which might be more suitable for older dogs.

apintofrum · 31/12/2022 10:16

Mine are now adults and both love to mouth a lot in play and are really really gentle. They do get there!

TheMagicSword · 31/12/2022 10:21

Croco-pup stage, it’s hard work! We lived in jeans to protect our ankles for a few months.

As above, training, redirection, and patience for him to grow out of it!

For the harness - and anything else which causes excess excitement - try to do this when the exciting thing is not happening. So putting the harness on, then taking it off again and sitting down calmly. Same for things like putting your shoes on, fiddling with your keys, etc etc.

Generally try and teach a positive behaviour, rather than a negative one. So to prevent you having to grab him to keep him off the side table, teach bed/blanket/etc as a command so that when he’s heading in the wrong direction instead of saying stop/no/etc you give him something else to turn to.

None of this is going to make a quick difference to the nipping, but it all helps in the end.

Nannyfannybanny · 31/12/2022 10:26

Good advice on here, not from the breeder though, don't tap him with anything. We did the same as Maddi,yelp, like their litter mates would do. It is a nightmare stage. Our last "puppy" border collie is now 7,chewed our wooden table and chairs......we changed them for metal. Distraction,toy to hand,and something they are allowed to chew. You were having it so easy with everything else 😅

Carrotandswedemash · 31/12/2022 10:58

It’s hard just keep doing what are you doing and redirect to a toy

You try olive or coffee branches, nyla bones, and try freezing the yak bars

a wet tea towel knotted and frozen can be good too

make sure he’s getting enough sleep during the day too - they need a lot, a hour up a few hours asleep as a rough guide

SuperPup86 · 31/12/2022 11:21

However much people say 'it's normal, they grow out of it', I always had fear with ddog that she wouldn't.

Ours was so bitey and chasey at 2, 3 and 4 months. Always playful but their teeth are like needles at that age. However closely we monitored, a nice bit of play between her and dc could change in an instant and she had 5 year old ds in tears more than once when she caught his hand or arm...she also used to chase his ankles as he walked or ran after him to chew on the bottom of his trousers. And the more he squealed, the more she did it.

Shes like a different dog now at 5.5 months - all the biting and chasing of ankles has stopped completely in the last few weeks and it's a huge relief. She still chases ds round but without teeth entirely (and he chases her back!) and she will mouth your hand but again, totally without teeth or any pressure.

It really is just a waiting game and distraction in the meantime.

ToBeOrNotToBee · 31/12/2022 11:22

Give this a watch.

Has all the info you will need.

I can also recommend their other videos

Idratherbepaddleboarding · 31/12/2022 11:30

He’s teething, our puppy’s baby teeth all fell out in quick succession about 20 weeks and then it got much better. What breed is he?

with the harness, our dog likes to run away when we get it out because he thinks it’s a great game so I spread it out with one hand and put a treat infront with the other so he has put pop his head through to get the treat, it works a charm.

Onceuponawhileago · 31/12/2022 11:41

Few things to try:

Redirect to a tug toy making sure you are gentle with it due to loose teeth. Once he starts being bitey redirect to that. It has to be produced only for redirection, no general access. You have to make that super exciting, high voice etc.

You could try 'uh oh' as a statement of error and ask for sit for treat. This way you are treating the stopping and sitting. Uh oh is useful as you use it to indicate 'not quite right' when teaching other behaviours.

Finally the one that worked best for me was to silently leave the room. Two minutes later return and ignore. Repeat- if he bites you go away...

Out of interest have you trained a crate command? As in go direct try to your crate? That's useful as it immediately marks the behaviour as over.

What breed is it?

highlandcoo · 31/12/2022 13:00

Thanks all for your advice.

SuperPup86 that's really encouraging. I just want to feel confident that we will get there one day! It's not awful I just need to know there will be an end to it. And if putting on the harness could get easier that would make a huge difference.

And that's a great video ToBeOrNotToBee - a good positive approach and helpful to realise it's a necessary developmental stage. It was helpful to watch exactly how rapidly the guy in the video responded to the nipping and not nipping alternating between "ouches" and praise. Great to model for the future.

Onceuponawhileago and TheMagicSword, he's great at Sit on command and I use that to stop him from many behaviours, discourage jumping up and grabbing at toys, he always sits before his food is put down etc. So maybe we can build on that.

Really appreciate all the replies thank you

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highlandcoo · 31/12/2022 13:03

Oh, and he is a poodle cross (cockapoo if you like) and I know MN is not keen generally on poodle crosses, however we went to a breeder two friends have used in recent years, very reputable and carefully researched. She kept the pups till ten weeks, toilet training was well advanced, good socialisation in her house with her kids, hoover, washing machine etc and he's generally a happy confident pup so I can see she has given him a great start.

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whataboutsecondbreakfast · 31/12/2022 13:13

The thing that stands out to me is the biting when you put his harness on. The rest sounds very normal.

I think you need to work on desensitising him to his harness - so one person distracts him with treats while the other puts the harness on and does it up, plus more treats when it's on him and the lead is attached.

I would then keep the harness on him all day - don't put him through it being taken on/off all the time and make it boring to have it on. So, get up in the morning, harness on and it stays on until bedtime - it will make it easier to go to the toilet and stop him associating it with needing a wee/getting to go outside too, which is probably contributing to his excitement/biting.

lessthanathirdofanacre · 31/12/2022 14:54

You can tell how old-fashioned the breeder's advice is. Who even has a rolled up newspaper lying around anymore? Ignore that advice.

Yelping/crying out when the puppy bites isn't always the best strategy. Some puppies just become more wound up when they hear that. Distraction is a better approach IMO. And have lots of things on hand that he can chew to help with teething. Frozen Kongs or a frozen knotted tea towel can really ease the teething pain.

For other behaviour, like nipping when the harness goes on, you can build up an association whereby the harness is a source of great things. Show the harness, give him a treat. Lift it toward him, another treat. Many dogs are uncomfortable with something being put over their heads so it can take time to become accustomed to it. You can say a word that lets him know the harness is going on (something imaginative like "harness" 😀) and combine that with another treat. It's worthwhile to repeat this process at calm times, not at the moment you have to rush him outside for a wee!

GuyFawkesDay · 31/12/2022 15:36

Cockerdiles are well named, bitey little buggers as puppies!

Hang on in there, it does get better. Lots of good advice given above

TranquilBlue · 31/12/2022 16:44

I would teach the harness and paw wiping as individual behaviours using the consent method.

Look up Chirag Patel’s Bucket Game and both Chirag and Kikopup on YouTube, for training methods to encourage harness acceptance in puppies.

If in the meantime, while you are working on it, you still need to put his harness on, you could possibly try one of the stick-up lickimats to distract him while you clip it on.

MaryLennoxsScowl · 31/12/2022 16:54

Check the harness suits him too - my puppy trainer pointed out that our first harness (from pets at home) restricted his shoulders and he didn’t like that. The new one had a loop for his head and then two clips on his sides for the tummy loop so his shoulders were free. He stopped fighting from day 1 of the new harness, and we started with holding a treat for him to reach by putting his head through the head loop, so he never associated it with being manhandled.

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