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Golden Retriever breeders

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CymruChris · 27/12/2022 22:00

Hi all. Apologies if this has been asked before!
So as a family we have decided that in the new year we would like to get a Golden Retriever pup. We are desperately missing having a dog since losing our perfect girl early in 2022 to old age. We have done a lot of thinking and decided on a retriever.
One of my fears is inadvertently buying from a puppy farm or similar. Does anyone have advice on how to ensure I avoid this?
I have looked on kennel club and they have "assured breeders" but I'm unsure how much I can trust this. Not to sound too skeptical but breeders can pay to enter the scheme and I'm not sure how much they are checked.
I'm extremely wary about finding breeders online! So if anyone has any advice it would be most welcome 🙏
Or if anyone knows a reputable breeder within a few hours or South Wales?

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Goawayangryman · 27/12/2022 23:31

You can join the FB group Golden Retrievers - sourcing reputable breeders UK. Litters often come up and they are all vetted by the mods. Steer well clear of pets 4 homes and any breeders (even assured) ones on KC website that don't test both parents' hips, elbows, eyes, and one of them's ICT-A status.

Also, check puppies' coefficients of inbreeding if looking on KC website - just click on one of the puppy's profiles. I've seen some horrors on there, one with a CoI of like 20+%. Definitely no need for that.

Goawayangryman · 27/12/2022 23:33

There is one seemingly prolific breeder on KC website who seems to post a lot of letters, from memory in Wrexham, looks absolutely dodgy AF.

Bimblesalong · 27/12/2022 23:43

We got our boy from Capuchin Retrievers and meet every few months with other owners and their dogs from the same breeder.
Our boy is 11 now and the light of our lives.

I think they might also be searchable as Bryncapuchin on the web. Having done due diligence on ensuring they weren’t a puppy farm I was almost embarrassed as to how caringly set up they were when we went to choose our pup.

CymruChris · 28/12/2022 03:23

Thank you both. I know to avoid sites like pets4homes etc and have asked to join that fb group. Its just such a minefield!

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stevalnamechanger · 28/12/2022 03:32

Look on Champ dogs

Honeysuckle16 · 28/12/2022 03:33

The best way to source a puppy from a reputable breeder is through the breed club. Members of the club tend to be owners and exhibitors who must follow club rules especially rules on breeding. The club Secretary will know most members and can let you know who has puppies now or in the near future.

Google the details of the Golden Retriever Club nearest you and contact the club Secretary. Often you’ll find that such breeders never advertise their pups for sale but instead rely on good enquiries via the club.

If you have any further questions, you’ll get an honest answer from experienced people.

jevoudrais · 28/12/2022 03:50

Champdogs isn't a bad place to look for litters.

I'm a bit choosy and didn't want a golden retriever that is just a pet without having much showing or working in its pedigree, but I've had goldens for 14 years and am on my third now.

Broadly I would say, you don't want one who has bred from a bitch under 2.5 years or over 7 years. Nor one who's having a first litter at over 4.5 years ideally.

You want mum and dad to have hip scores, elbow scores and an in date annual eye test. I would say you also want mum or dad to have other tests showing they are unaffected for the likes of GR PRA1 and 2. If one is clear the puppies could be carriers but wouldn't be affected.

Decent breeders usually stipulate you can't breed without their permission and some will stipulate their views on neutering and feeding also. I was vetted heavily by the breeder and it gave me a lot of confidence in them.

I'd be skeptical of anyone who owns mum and dad, because it's unusual that you own two golden retrievers who are likely to compliment each other so well in breed standard terms. It doesn't cost that much money to use a nice stud, and often, decent owners of studs will 'vet' the owners and bitch and do not stud their dog out to them if they don't think they are decent.

Personally speaking, when I was looking last year I tried to find a litter by a Xanthos stud (Heather Morss was really kind and gave me a list of people she had recently studded her boys out to, she wasn't planning a litter at the time) as my eldest is by Xanthos Ferrari. This didn't turn anything up for us very quickly and in the end, the puppy I ended up with was by a Messano dog, who are show bred generally but very beautiful dogs albeit on the lighter side colour wise. I'd be reasonably comfortable that Xanthos and Messano dogs are only studded out to reasonably decent breeders. There will be others who are similar.

I just had a look on Champdogs and I can't see a GR litter that impresses me very much,but I am a bit picky. Worth setting up alerts on there and checking them out as they appear. Lots of breeders don't like Xmas puppies either as it's a lot of hassle when people want an Xmas puppy and they have to sift through all that crap to find decent owners. Some breeders have waiting lists long before they breed also, but equally, some people on the list back out, or wants bitch and there are not enough bitches so dogs become available etc.

My pup from last year was only £2k. Not everyone takes the piss £ wise and Heather from Xanthos actually told me that she found out someone was selling puppies by her stud for £4K and she was very unhappy, as there is no way that amount was fair or justified. She even said if I found someone who had used her boys doing that to let her know as it's not on, which I also thought was decent.

Another decent place to enquire is your local golden retriever club. Mine is Eastern Counties Golden Retriever Club, for example.

I am now going to hop off my soapbox and try to go to bed, dreading trying to get a GP appt for a 2YO who has been feverish for five days in the morning.

Lastqueenofscotland2 · 28/12/2022 08:12

Not breed specific but champdogs is a good place to start
Rule 1 - see mum. No excuses
Do they breed other breeds? That’s a red flag to me, I’d be less concerned if they were say, also breeding flat coats, but goldies are super popular at the moment so alarm bells would be ringing if they were breeding another “popular” breed
Health testing is a must
Signs the dog is used to being in the surroundings you see them in, if you see them in a house and they are scared of the telly… bad sign.
If you’re going down the working route it wouldn’t necessarily be a huge issue if the dog
was kennelled, but the kennel should be clean, mum shouldn’t stink, and check their paws - if the kennel isn’t clean often her paws may have burns on them from standing in her own piss.

Id recommend getting in touch with the breed club or going to crufts in a couple of months and talk to people, and be prepared to wait a long time for the right dog

tabulahrasa · 28/12/2022 08:52

The breed club website has a whole puppy buying advice page and a page with contact numbers of who has the regional clubs puppy lists.

TheUsualChaos · 28/12/2022 10:03

First tip. Take. Your Time.
Can't stress this enough. Took us a year to find out girl but so worth it. Amazing breeder. Not all flashy bells and whistles with a fancy website etc. Just genuine, honest,
knowledgeable and most of all cares intensely about who her puppies go to. We had to go to visit her and pass a vetting before the pups were even born. We then saw them twice more before we went to collect, which was great for getting out youngest DC used to the dogs and puppies. We could have gone to visit more often but too far to travel.
We have remained in touch with her and will be for life, very likely if we ever get another pup it will be from her or someone
A good breeder shouldn't be charging much more than the 2k mark.

Look up FB groups for finding reputable breeders. Go to the local breed shows, make connections.

TheUsualChaos · 28/12/2022 10:04

Should have said we would get another pup form her or someone she recommends. Obviously got distracted there!

OrpingtonWings · 28/12/2022 10:10

Can you ask local vets for a recommended breeder?

Chickoletta · 28/12/2022 10:19

I’ve been involved with golden retrievers for 35 years, OP and would agree with most of the advice given above.
Avoid breeders who are clearly having lots of litters - more than 2 in a year would ring alarm bells for me.
Champdogs is a good site to start with. The KC Assured Breeders’ scheme is not perfect but you can’t simply buy your way in - they do monitor breeders, do home visits, check paper work, ensure that the right health checks are being done etc.
Look for hip scores for the parents (a score of faults, so the lower the better and should be roughly even - eg. 2:3 not 2:13 - 0:0 is perfect but very rare). Clear eye certificate. Many breeders will also have elbows tested, although this is reasonably new.
If you want to PM me, I could recommend some breeders.
They are the most wonderful dogs - good luck!

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