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itsarainyday · 14/11/2022 04:04

Apologies in advance for the long post. I need to get this off my chest as I feel too ashamed to admit some of these feelings to friends or other dog owners.

I have an almost 11 month old lab. First time dog owners but we've been diligent with training and enrichment since we got her at 8 weeks. Read all the books, including Total Recall, and joined lots of forums for training advice. We use positive reinforcement methods only.

She's a smart lab. Sit, stay, down, paw, leave it, drop it etc all mastered very quickly as well as some tricks. She has self discipline because she won't eat or go through a door until I've released her. This is relevant to know because it shows she is biddable and has self control.

Yet, still, our lab has not mastered loose leash walking. When she pulls like a train, it's exhausting. I can't let the kids ever walk her because she's too strong. She is getting there slowly and she's always fine after she's had her long walk so I know some of it is just the excitement and energy she needs to expend.

She also jumps on people, which is a habit we are trying to break. She doesn't do it at home as we've trained her not to. The hardest thing is training other people. Many encourage it and tell me "it's fine" after I've specifically asked them to ignore her unless she's calm and on four paws or sat. Or ignore what I say then get cross when she jumps as they've invited her up but haven't reckoned on the force of an enthusiastic dog. Consistency is key so this is a frustrating one as it relies on the other person listening to me as well! Walking past people isn't an issue. It's only if they give her even the tiniest bit of attention, she jumps.

The biggest frustration is that she is obsessed with other dogs and is a frustrated greeter. On lead, she'll lie down and wait for the other dog to approach. Or pulls like a train to get to them. When they get close she'll lunge (sometimes bark) at them desperate to play. Her recall and check ins are excellent if no other dogs about. If she sights or smells them, she's off. Her recall disappears and even when other dogs bark of snap as they don't like her boisterous puppy play, she doesn't get the hint. To her, everyone is her BFF! This is why she's on a long line still. As we live somewhere where we encounter dogs frequently, she's not going to come off it until her recall is solid around other dogs. We'll be starting gun dog training with her soon with a trainer in the hope that this improves her focus on us.

Not posting for training tips as we already have excellent advice on what we must do to train her out of this. To be clear, she isn't denied the opportunity to play with other dogs either. It's work in progress and training is unrelenting in these three areas. I know part of it is teenage years, puppy years and her being a breed that loves dogs and people (she isn't interested in the ball, retrieves or any toys at all). We are making some progress. It feels very slow and some days it feels like one step forward, one back. Deep down, I feel we can get there as I am seeing it improve VERY slowly to my mind. I'm simply frustrated and tired.

I'm posting to vent and hope this is a safe space to do so. There are days when I wonder whether she will ever change and this scares me as I don't want her on a long line forever or only be able to go off lead in secure fields I rent. I have read of labs that remain obsessed with other dogs even at 2+ years of age. I have been embarrassed so many times and sat in the car in tears after a couple of walks. I see other dogs that can calmly walk by and ignore dogs or quickly play then go back when recalled and I'm so envious. I'm even more envious when I ask owners for their tips and they say they had to do nothing! That their dogs have never been as interested in other dogs as mine even as puppies. Then I start to feel guilty and wonder if I over socialised her as a puppy. It also creates tension at home because DH isn't as consistent with me with the training.

I work as well and have kids so I am balancing a lot. Dog training has become another mental load. I know and expected to train the dog but it's been almost a year and it's the dog obsession that gets to me! I often wish for walks where she's off lead (when she's at her happiest to sniff and explore) and, well, it can just be a relaxing walk without me worrying she's going to jump on someone or run off and not come back as she's found a pack of dogs.

To clarify, she is extremely well loved and taken care of. We're deeply committed to training her to become the dog we want. She has many good points: otherwise very calm, sits happily in pubs and cafes with me, great with the kids and doesn't bark. Lots and lots of positive things.

Apologies for waffling. Sorry to vent. Please be kind.

What I would love to hear is if anyone has had a dog like this and have positive stories to tell of how they got through it. Then I can keep revisiting this thread when I am in need of encouragement to keep going with the training.

If you've made it this far, thank you.

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SarahSissions · 14/11/2022 19:35

Just to add to what @certainshepherdpups has said there’s also something to be said for breed traits on this. Certain breeds are more gregarious and more likely to want to greet other dogs - labs and golden retrievers are like this- other dogs are more aloof, some hugely self employed they all come with their own challenges but it means there’s no point in comparing yourself to other owners or dogs. It’s often not down to “better” training, but dog personality and traits.

itsarainyday · 14/11/2022 19:43

Thank you so much to everyone who has taken the time to respond, for sharing your stories to keep me plugging away at training and for the advice. Sorry I've not been able to respond until now. First chance I've had to sit down.

I agree with the posters who have commented that I'm being unrealistic as she's still young. I know I'm tired and feel like I apologise to at least one person on every walk! Or look like a terribly incompetent dog owner. Once, at a camping trip, our screw in stake snapped in half so we had to tie her lead to a very heavy wooden pallet. One minute she was dozing. The next minute she spotted a dog and she went tearing across the field. She was this tiny lab dragging a huge wooden pallet in her wake running full pelt towards another tent where she'd seen a dog go in. Luckily, the pallet slowed her down enough that I caught her. The other campers found it hilarious and said it was a scene out of "Marley & Me". I can laugh about it now! I was mortified when it happened.

@Ruizy yes my lab is also the crazy bouncing pulling a lot dog. It would be funny to watch if she wasn't my dog. Using a dog walker where she's one of 4 is where we'd like to get to but as she has to stay on lead, she gets frustrated when the others are off lead. Thanks for your advice re spaying. I think we will hold off.

@picklemewalnuts yes, the spinning away is good isn't it? I definitely do that. If it's one dog, she usually chases after me if I run away. Lots of dogs walked in packs where we are and then spinning away isn't so effective. But agree it works! You hit the nail totally on the head when you said it's exhausting being 'on' all the time as trainer. This is exactly how I feel. I try to go places where there are fewer dogs or at quieter times but I live in a busy place and near several popular dog walking areas. I will have a think about going to NT places where dogs are on leads so it's quieter.

@FrangipaniBlue your DH 😂!

Thank you to everyone who posted with their positive stories. I'm going to save this thread and keep reading them. I've already shown them to DH as he was starting to feel discouraged too so it's definitely given us the encouragement we need. Thank you also for all the advice and insights. It's given us the lift we need!

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tunthebloodyalarmoff · 15/11/2022 21:10

A halti head collar and lead will stop the pulling.

BaconAndAvocado · 21/11/2022 21:34

Your Lab sounds exactly like my 16mo boy!

I don’t see any of what you say as terribly bad as all his other gorgeous traits make upfor them!

Pulling on the lead.....we use a harness with 2 clasps. It helps a little bit but when he first gets out and about he pulls really hard. I’ve had incredibly painful tennis elbow as a result. Our 16 yo DS can walk him but not our 14 yo DD. If he pulls we just stop and then carry on. It doesn’t really make a lot of difference but, to me, it’s not a huge deal.
On the way home from a walk, he’s fine.

Wanting to greet all dogs like long lost friends....... I love this about our dog! He’s such a sociable boy, doesn’t have an aggressive bone in his body and watching him interact and play with other dogs is one of my most favourite things about having a dog.

He’s our first dog too and I’m so glad we chose a Labrador.

GuyFawkesDay · 21/11/2022 21:40

Honestly, teenage dogs are absolutely bonkers. Everyone tells you puppies are hard work but the teen phase has been FAR worse for us.

At 19 months old we are finally coming out of it. FawkesPup now looks for connection on walks and walks to heel (mostly). He chills in the house, this time last year he chewed two GCSE mock papers. This year, snoozed at my feet.

It's just taken time, consistent training, patience and shit loads of wine and he's finally starting to mature. Still a bouncy daft twat of a spaniel sometimes but he's definitely getting better.....as far as spaniels do!!

Hang on in there, labs take so well to gundog training. We did a fun gundog course first and are now working through some levels of classes and they've been really useful.

RedAngel19 · 22/11/2022 21:13

@GuyFawkesDay thanks for this! I'm happy to hear Fawkespup is coming out nicely the other end. I hope the same thing for us. In the meantime, tons of training and we're going through a heck of a lot of fresh boiled chicken!!!

chronictonic · 22/11/2022 22:27

I could have written your post until a month ago. My lab is 12 months. In terms of distractions and greeting other dogs, In the last month there has been a massive turn around. Having been quite blasé about the ball she is now vet motivated by the ball and it's been a game changer as she is more focused on that than other dogs.
Obviously we're conscious of potentially becoming an obsession and her going the other way so making sure we mix up walks and use the ball responsibly.
In terms of pulling on the lead.. we use a Figure Of 8 style lead and it makes an enormous difference. She still pulls a bit when first out the house, but other wise she trots beautifully beside us and it stops her scoffing all sorts from the delightful London pavements.
Basically, hold tight. You have done everything so well and I think you can be confident she'll suddenly settle down regarsing those last issues.

bingohandjob · 23/11/2022 22:10

Lab owner (he's 2 next month) and so much of what you say chimes with my experience. The extreme highs and lows, the frustration, the tears, the overthinking. But there is light at the end of it... albeit one that might blink on and off at times! Looking back now, and my god it's so easy to say in hindsight and trust me I did not have a grasp on this during some of the most strained times but calmness and consistency key. The jumping did stop as we consistently redirected him. The barking at the door stopped because we consistently redirected him. Etc etc.

Loose lead walking ALL OVER THE SHOP. Sometimes great, sometimes (as trips to the physio will verify!!) very much not. At his best when we retrace our steps so the smells aren't as exciting - the walk home generally pretty good, the walk towards the park/field etc he's too excited to pay attention.

Have definitely had WTF have I signed up for moments and deep, deep regrets but, in last few months he seems to have taken some major progression in getting into a lovely rhythm of having a busy exciting off lead long walk (run!) day followed by a more relaxed sniffy few shorter walks and lazy day where he happily snuggles up to us and dozes chewing on an ostrich bone. He has always been a good natured, gentle boy but he's really become the very sweetest dog who is calm and loving around the house and loads of fun off lead, still a challenge on lead. Recall is getting there very, very slowly.

Well done on getting this far and helping your pup feel calm in pubs etc - ours acts like he's on the lash and wants to get the first round in for everyone. Absolute (adorable) idiot.

Labmama · 23/11/2022 23:31

Hey, Lab mum here - he’s 2 next month! Last couple months we’ve hit a huge turning point, to the point where my husband said today that he wants another dog in a few years time as companionship! This year, we’ve had 2 trainers, multiple tears and arguments so hang in there, itll be worth it!

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