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Bitch Seasons

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SarahSissions · 11/10/2022 09:19

There has been an explosion in dog ownership in the UK over the last three years, many being either first time owners- or having their first dog since childhood. I remember when bitches were spayed at 6 months, but now medical advice has changed- and thankfully most are following that advice and allowing their bitch to have one or two seasons to mature.

BUT over the last year I can’t be the only person who is getting a bit worried about how unprepared a lot of these owners are for having a bitch or looking after her whilst she is in season.

It seems to me that many breeders think that because it happens in an adolescent dog, it isn’t up to them to put advice in puppy packs or talk owners through what to expect.

Vets might give advice on the clinical aspect, but don’t go much further that that.

Trainers seem to stick to “just don’t bring them to class”

I see so many people on Facebook and forums asking for advice from “what are the signs”, to “how long do the last”, through to “can I walk her”, and “how do I keep her clean” . What is apparent to me is that so many of these owners are woefully underprepared, and they are also being given advice from all and sundry, many of whom aren’t professionals and have no experience beyond how they handled their own pets season.

This year in particular I’ve seen some absolutely baffling decisions. I came across one lady at dog fest, who bought her dog, and even well known calm dogs were getting huffy she just laughed and said oh don’t worry it’s her, she’s in season and has been causing lots of fights today.

Ive seen people bring their dogs to training sessions, and all sorts.

We live in the countryside and over bank holidays and nice days you can come across four or five in a walk, where they have arranged to do a dog walk and don’t want to change their plans. Or have been told to “go somewhere quiet” and they think we’ll known pub walks are classed as quiet.

I see advice being given like “drive your dog somewhere” or “cross the road before you go home” to stop dogs following you. Acknowledging that you are walking an attractive nuisance, and intent on looking after your bitch but with no care for the chaos you leave in your wake- if a dog is going to be lured to follow you home, crossing a road will only lure a bolting dog to run into traffic.

I see others saying keep your bitch on a lead, as if that is a form of contraception. Or others saying to carry a stick, to beat off the poor dog that you have lured over (and as if that isn’t going to put yourself in massive physical danger)

there are so many myths- people will say it’s owners of intact dogs that need to be responsible, handily forgetting that the smell of an in season dog can upset ALL dogs, not only those that are intact.

For me, I wish people would do research before getting a bitch as to what actually looking after one in season entails and decide if they are prepared to do it. I wish breeders and vets would give advice on how to look after the bitch, the signs to look for and what you should and shouldn’t do.

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Whatacarryonthisis · 11/10/2022 11:25

I researched it… what makes you think others haven’t?

They’ll always be people who don’t prepare or research but they will be people that don’t care

forumsempronii · 11/10/2022 11:28

@SarahSissions You could give some information to help on your post rather than just blame owners.

vodkaredbullgirl · 11/10/2022 11:28

Never took my dog out when she was in season. As soon as I could she was spayed.

DarkMatternix · 11/10/2022 13:15

I wish breeders and vets would give advice on how to look after the bitch, the signs to look for and what you should and shouldn’t do.

It's something where different breeders and vets will have totally different opinions on what is appropriate and what is not though. You're implying there is one right thing to do, when in reality there are a huge range of opinions and 'doing your research' is actually quite a minefield.

Aggypanthus · 11/10/2022 13:26

OP You sound awfully pompous and not a word of good friendly advice.

I'll give some..
You can get your bitch spayed before the first season. It's safe to do so.

If like me, you booked the operation with the vet and then your puppy suddenly comes into season, you can't get her spayed until three months after the season ends.

I have bought bitch spray for when we go out. We have not reached the crucial ten day mark yet so she stays on a lead when we walk.

The nappies you can buy from the pet shop are fucking useless and a waste of money if your bitch has a tail so go figure

FlorettaB · 11/10/2022 13:47

It’s true that even some really good breeders don’t put information on seasons and neutering in their handouts. I was told how much dog food (to the gram) per week to feed my dog, including the proportions of boiled egg and chicken to add the kibble, up to the age of 12 months. I had a record of her parentage going back generations, with pictures! There was nothing about when to expect her first season or neutering.

There’s a lot of advice out there but some people have always had a relaxed attitude to keeping their in-season bitch away from dogs. I took the strongest advice - keep them at home, keep them away from dogs, if you do exercise them keep them on lead and go out very early in the morning away from other dogs. If they do get ‘caught’, take them to the vets ASAP for medication to stop any pregnancy. I neutered mine after a couple of seasons because it allowed her more freedom, prevented the risk of pups and removed the risk of pyometra which can kill.

I’ve had people say to me is yours a boy or a girl; mine’s in season while the dogs were sniffing each other. It’s not a new thing. You can’t tell people what to do with their dogs. Well, you can, but they probably won’t listen!

thelobsterquadrille · 11/10/2022 14:57

I actually don't think it's the breeders' responsibility to talk owners through absolutely everything, especially as there are lots of ways to deal with seasons, and what works for one dog/family may not work for another.

Aggypanthus · 11/10/2022 15:12

It is the breeders responsibility to ensure the pet they are selling on has a happy and healthy life and they should give advice if they are willing to bring that life into the world and make money out of it

thelobsterquadrille · 11/10/2022 15:15

Aggypanthus · 11/10/2022 15:12

It is the breeders responsibility to ensure the pet they are selling on has a happy and healthy life and they should give advice if they are willing to bring that life into the world and make money out of it

But giving advice doesn't mean people will listen or follow what you say.

Yes, breeders have a responsibility to their dogs, but IMO owners have a greater responsibility and should be the ones doing the right research and asking the right questions. My breeder didn't give me any advice about neutering my dog, but he was always on hand if we had questions (and still is nearly five years later).

SarahSissions · 11/10/2022 15:52

My point is that people should be getting advice from the pet care professionals in their lives rather than turning to strangers on the internet.

I could give advice, but without posting my credentials (which would be outing) why should people follow it.

i see one or two questions every week from people who have a bitch that has come into season and don’t know how long they will last, or what to do. My preference would be that they get a heads up on what to expect from a professional rather than someone on the internet, where invariably there will be lots of replies and people select advice that validates what they would do anyway.

is it really pompous to suggest that people are given advice from professionals and be mine professionals who leave owners I’ll equipped?

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SarahSissions · 11/10/2022 16:00

@Aggypanthus is a perfect example of why people shouldn’t simply follow advice from amateurs on the internet, the current veterinary advice particularly for medium/large breeds is to spay after 1st season and after 12 months

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mondaytosunday · 11/10/2022 16:32

So assuming these owners get their digs vaccinated every year, surely the vet should be saying something?
I've had a bitch for 11 years and she's caused no issues when I've taken her out in season. And a dog should be good enough at recall no matter if it is a bitch in season, a rabbit or running/screaming toddler or else kept on a lead.

Aggypanthus · 11/10/2022 16:43

@SarahSissions · Today 16:00
@Aggypanthus is a perfect example of why people shouldn’t simply follow advice from amateurs on the internet, the current veterinary advice particularly for medium/large breeds is to spay after 1st season and after 12 months

I refer you to my thread on this very subject where good advice was given by more than one Vet and also word of mouth by my own vet !

Aggypanthus · 11/10/2022 16:44

Any vets about - Pug puppy spaying question.

Its in the litter tray - I can't link it

Saucery · 11/10/2022 16:53

The reality of a season does seem to have passed some dog owners by. Perhaps because the outdated advice to spay before first season was around when they last had a dog?
We did very short, early morning walks, lots of enrichment and training exercises in the house and garden to keep her active and covered every bit of furniture with towels that we could whip off and wash (in addition to the usual throws we have on there). She didn’t go to daycare although they don’t allow entire male dogs to attend anyway. At the end of her season when there was no discharge she did go.
Advice when we had our last dog was spay at 6 months and although I had reservations I went with the vet advice at the time. As our girl died very suddenly and traumatically of osteosarcoma at just short of 12 I would never, ever have a bitch spayed early again.

SarahSissions · 11/10/2022 17:16

@Saucery exactly, daycare won’t allow an in season bitch because they upset all dogs, not just intact. The biggest myth is that they only affect intact males- untrue!!!

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forumsempronii · 11/10/2022 17:31

I think there is a lot of information re bitches on heat readily available. The dogs will be seen by the vet for initial booster vaccinations and most are seen every 6 months if on a plan sold by the vets. This is just the type of information that vets will give out.

A guick google Looking after my bitch in season brings up thousands of bits of information from vets and vet practices with sensible advice.
I dont think it is the lack of information from professionals that is the issue.

However I really do not meet loads of bitches in season out and about with my dogs so unsure of your intial assumption of meeting 4 or 5 on a weekend is a massive amount and not what I have encountered.

is it really pompous to suggest that people are given advice from professionals and be mine professionals who leave owners I’ll equipped? Not sure I totally understand this sentence but if you are not happy to give information and are knowledgeable then you can link to solid information or direct the owners on how to get professional information to help them. Educate people not berate them.

SarahSissions · 11/10/2022 17:40

@forumsempronii yes there’s load of information out there. But much of it is pure shite

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thelobsterquadrille · 11/10/2022 17:51

SarahSissions · 11/10/2022 17:40

@forumsempronii yes there’s load of information out there. But much of it is pure shite

But any good dog owner will have their dog seen by a vet at least once a year for boosters and check up, surely?

Our vet spoke to us about castration at our dogs' 12 month check and the benefits/potential problems of doing so. They also did the same for all our kittens so I can only assume they have the same conversation with every new pet owner.

The breeder can't be held responsible for how someone handles seasons in their bitch 4/5/6 years after purchase. It's up to the owner to do their research and do what they feel is best for their dogs' welfare.

forumsempronii · 11/10/2022 17:56

SarahSissions · 11/10/2022 17:40

@forumsempronii yes there’s load of information out there. But much of it is pure shite

So link us to the good stuff....

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