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New & Incessant barking border collie

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Dementeddogowner · 25/09/2022 12:00

Please be kind.

My 9 year old border collie is driving us mad with her incessant barking. It has gotten much worse in the past year and a half since my other dog died. She’s well trained otherwise.

We’ve been to the vet multiple times worried she had something wrong with her but it’s not physical. They thought it was old age.

I spent the last of my redundancy pay on a behaviourist who said it was just old age anxiety and to distract, except we cannot distract 20 hours a day. She yips through the night too & unless one of us sleeps downstairs with her she does it all night. She won’t settle down upstairs to sleep with us although that option is always open to her.

She barks constantly to get into our back garden. Once out she barks constantly along the fence line even when there’s nothing on the other side although there is sometimes a fox, her mortal enemy!

She attacks the fence when nearby neighbours are cutting grass/strimming which is almost every day around here. I started to take her out the back on the lead to retain control but she just walks back into the house when I do that then resumes barking at the back door as soon as I’ve sat back down. No one has that much time to be up and down all day. I currently wfh for a local call centre.

She’s always barked aggressively at the window when people pass by but we had devised strategies to distract her that were working well until the past year.

We’re at our wits end. She’s such a lovely sweet dog otherwise but we expected she’d calm down as she gets older not gets worse.

So as not to drip feed she has two, hour + long free runs in a forest daily (it’s about 4km for us but more with the back and forth for her) and accompanies us if we walk to the shop, go for a family walk etc too. As well as out back access. She destroys toys within minutes, even kong.

The reason we have her in a non farm setting (although we’re semi-rural) is when she was a puppy the farmer was going to drown her & her sibling so we took them in having experience of border collies for years. So we were aware as a breed they barked but it’s the recent worsening of it that’s driving us mad. She is as fit and healthy as ever. She is slightly stiff after prolonged sleep but to be expected in older age.

If anyone has any advice that doesn’t require money as I have none left until I find a new more than nmw job (and that’s for a whole other post) I’d be grateful.

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mountainsunsets · 25/09/2022 13:10

It sounds like the beginnings of doggy dementia. Has the vet suggested medication?

Quveas · 25/09/2022 13:21

Contrary to popular thought, female border collies are often more difficult than males, and more territorial. If this has increased since her companion died, it may be that she is thinking that protection of the territory is now down to just her, and she needs to step up. That could also account for wanting to sleep downstairs (nearer to points of entry).

This may or may not work, but can you use a training lead to keep her in closer check, and use it to distract her? Alternatively, perhaps investigate some calming tablets or scents - these can work well with some dogs.

Teenyliving · 25/09/2022 13:23

Have you tried rescue remedy plug in? I know it sounds ridiculous but I found it had a notable impact on my boy barking.

also maybe anti anxiety medication from the vets?

mountainsunsets · 25/09/2022 13:45

Contrary to popular thought, female border collies are often more difficult than males, and more territorial.

I 100% agree with this too.

EdithStourton · 25/09/2022 13:51

Is she bored without a companion?

We have a different working breed and if the older one doesn't get regular time training, she becomes an utter pain in the arse.

Bordercolliesarebest1 · 25/09/2022 17:41

I have been sleeping downstairs with our border collie for over a year as he started barking more and wouldn't stop through out the night. The vet said it's the start of dementia as he has ruled out everything else. He is now 10.5 years old.
I have managed to stop the barking by giving him Yucalm. They are a natural remedy and take about 3 weeks to work but they have really calmed him.
I get them directly as l buy another supplement and get a discount but you can get them from Pets at home. They are not that expensive.

Dementeddogowner · 26/09/2022 10:16

Thanks all.

Sorry I should have said we have another dog too but other than on walks they don’t interact with each other much. The wee dog was her companion and I think she took it worse than the youngster when he died.

I do think she has become more territorial. I’ve only ever had female border collies and was aware they’re more difficult but this dog is on another level. It breaks my heart seeing her bark so much because she is never off alert.

We tried a ridiculously expensive calming collar from the vet previously and it made no difference. I’ll look up the yucalm in case that’s different.

I do about an 30-45mins a day of reinforcing training to keep her mind busy and to play with her. She’s less good at stay than she used to be and I wondered if that was maybe dementia related.

The vet never mentioned dementia but that is my concern. Are there medications for it that help? Is there anything I can do to make it easier for her (and ultimately us)

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Bordercolliesarebest1 · 26/09/2022 11:35

There are medications for dementia but they are expensive. My vet actually recommended that l try the yucalm to see if it would help Finn. In the last year he has become much more anxious and stressed but I'm sure this has helped him.

Ivedonethisthreetimesalready · 26/09/2022 13:12

Noise phobias and noise reactivity is extremely common in collies.

Unfortunately without treatment noise phobias tend to get worse as the dogs get older.

Initally everytime she barks (have a word I say nice) say the word and give her a treat regardless of what she is doing. If she carries on barking go to her and say nice and give the treat. Do this at times when she is not barking as well.

Very very very quickly she will respond to the word and come to you as soon as you say nice.

Eventually she will turn to you when she hears the noise before you say nice as she has always got a treat at this point.

It may initially not stop the barking but it will shorten it and it will give her a task to do when she hears the noise that causes the barking to start with.

For the fence running do not let her out into the garden unless on a lead or supervised. Fence running pumps up the adrenalin and will make it very hard for her to be calm for the rest of the day.

I would not automatically say this was dementia 10 is pretty young for a collie to be getting dementia.

By changing her emotional response to the noise which at the moment is high energy I have to bark to great fab treat coming you will find that this will carry over into her daily and night time and you should see a big difference in a few days.

Dementeddogowner · 26/09/2022 20:57

Ivedonethisthreetimesalready · 26/09/2022 13:12

Noise phobias and noise reactivity is extremely common in collies.

Unfortunately without treatment noise phobias tend to get worse as the dogs get older.

Initally everytime she barks (have a word I say nice) say the word and give her a treat regardless of what she is doing. If she carries on barking go to her and say nice and give the treat. Do this at times when she is not barking as well.

Very very very quickly she will respond to the word and come to you as soon as you say nice.

Eventually she will turn to you when she hears the noise before you say nice as she has always got a treat at this point.

It may initially not stop the barking but it will shorten it and it will give her a task to do when she hears the noise that causes the barking to start with.

For the fence running do not let her out into the garden unless on a lead or supervised. Fence running pumps up the adrenalin and will make it very hard for her to be calm for the rest of the day.

I would not automatically say this was dementia 10 is pretty young for a collie to be getting dementia.

By changing her emotional response to the noise which at the moment is high energy I have to bark to great fab treat coming you will find that this will carry over into her daily and night time and you should see a big difference in a few days.

Thank you.
We did a lot of this when we first got her. She doesn’t respond to food treats or words so we’d play with a special toy as her ‘reward’ but it didn’t last long, even swapping toys/activities. She’s not daft at all & would manipulate the situation to play. I’ll
go back to square one again and see if she’ll respond to good treats now.

I no longer let her out back without a lead unless I’m sitting out with her
(not so much now it’s cold) but the rest of the family aren’t as dedicated to trying to stop it and just stand essentially barking too. In all honesty the humans need more training than the dog, as is ever the way.

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Ivedonethisthreetimesalready · 26/09/2022 21:02

Thank you.
We did a lot of this when we first got her. She doesn’t respond to food treats or words so we’d play with a special toy as her ‘reward’ but it didn’t last long, even swapping toys/activities. She’s not daft at all & would manipulate the situation to play. I’ll
go back to square one again and see if she’ll respond to good treats now.
I no longer let her out back without a lead unless I’m sitting out with her
(not so much now it’s cold) but the rest of the family aren’t as dedicated to trying to stop it and just stand essentially barking too. In all honesty the humans need more training than the dog, as is ever the way.

It is good to recognise that you are not rewarding her or distracting her from barking with the method I have suggested. You can not "train" her to feel different about things.

By changing how she feels to the trigger it will give a long term change to her response. I hear the noise I feel great as good things happen.

As opposed to I hear the noise I bark get overaroused and then have a high energy game so she is still overaroused.

It is very important if she finds treats hard to take to start the training with just saying your choosen word and treating in a calm situation to start with. Then the conditioning will take place before she is over threshold. Then when she is used to the word you can use it in the barking situaiton

FurAndFeathers · 26/09/2022 21:06

It sounds very much like canine cognitive decline and/or anxiety.
most vets are poorly trained in behaviour so a have a look in the ABTC website for a behaviourist nearby.

she may well benefit from a behaviour assessment and could need a specific medication for cognitive decline. Selgian has a decent evidence base

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