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When did your puppy start to lose interest in other dogs?

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User181019 · 09/09/2022 19:43

If at all? The reason for asking is that I have had my lowest day every with my 8 month old lab. I sat in the car crying after our walk today so please be gentle!

Our lab is wonderful in so many ways except that she is obsessed with finding and playing with every dog she meets. This means she will start straining on the lead to get to every dog we come across (which is a lot) even if they're at a distance and even to the point of choking herself on the collar. Sometimes other dog owners see this and, maybe thinking she's reactive or aggressive, will cross to avoid us. My lab in frustration will then start demand barking which makes it worse. She just looks barmy and out of control. Distraction doesn't work. She is literally obsessed.

We have invested so much time in training her starting from the day she came to us at 8 weeks. This is not for lack of training. We are on the Dog Training group on FB (which has brilliant advice) and we have worked super hard on making her more dog neutral. But it feels like we're getting nowhere.

To be clear, she does get to play with other dogs. We do regular doggy dates with her friends. We let her sniff and greet other dogs (after checking with the owner) but not every single dog and I'm not going to cross roads or go out of my way to let her greet a dog she's spotted. We are training so that it's on our terms. It's also not practical to let her greet every dog as sometimes we need to get from A to B and don't have time for this.

We use lots of positive reinforcement and high value treats. We also use a long line. But progress feels so slow or sometimes non existent.

Today I took her to the woods and thought as there were no dogs around, she could go off lead. Usually, I see or hear other dogs, I put her back on the lead. Today, she must have smelled them because she ran off. I did find her. She had smelled another dog and found him. He didn't want to play and made it clear. Before I could get the lead on, she then bolted again through the woods and I found her with several other dogs. Her recall is fab when other dogs aren't there. She becomes deaf if there are other dogs. It was a nightmare getting her back on lead. None of the other dogs wanted to play. A couple tried to dominate her grabbing her by the neck with their teeth then pinning her down. She doesn't get the message. She keeps going back for more and one day she may run up to the wrong dog. The other dogs all had great recall. It was only my dog running round, being annoying and ignoring me. I felt like a useless dog owner. One owner commented "You're clearly not as fun as the other dogs" (said it as a joke) but I felt terrible. I do try to be more fun! I once made myself more fun than another dog by playing chase with her and fell and hit my head. She came over and started to eat the treats that were in my pocket as I lay hurt on the floor. Another low moment. She isn't into balls, toys or games. She will even ignore her most favourite treats - chicken or cheese - to get to another dog. She is obsessed with them. I saw all these other dogs off lead, listening to their owners, able to sniff and greet other dogs then move on. Then there was my barmy lab. I felt so sad.

She is otherwise a relatively calm and placid puppy but in the last two weeks, she has been really jumpy (constantly jumping on me when we walk) as well as being a nightmare on the lead. She used to walk to heel relatively well. So walks on the lead haven't been fun either.

Today was a super low point. The obsession with dogs is one thing but combined with the recent jumping and pulling, it's not enjoyable taking her out for walks. The training is relentless (or feels like it) and I just for ONCE want to be one of those dog owners I see who go for lovely walks and their dogs behave nicely off lead. If there are no other dogs, she's amazing off lead. Always checks in and reliable recall. But she turns into this mad lab if there are other dogs around and we can't avoid this.

Sorry for the long lost. I'm venting. I've never cried before after a dog walk but I do feel so dispirited today. I know they say 8 months is the adolescence and regression stage but I am so tired. I know she's still a puppy. But today was exhausting and I feel like a useless dog owner. We aren't going to get a trainer as we're already doing exactly as they suggest but, as I said, it seems that progress is so slow.

I need to know she won't be like this forever. Please, if your dogs were ever like this, when did the obsession ease off? I want her to remain sociable but there's a thin line between this and being obsessed. On a recent camping trip, she was asleep tied to the stake. She heard another dog and the next minute, she was up and managed to drag the stake out - a metal stake ended up snapping in half - and after her as she made a beeline for the other dog in their tent. We just can't relax with her if other dogs are around.

To end on a positive, she is a fab sleeper, was quick to toilet train, is bomb proof in new situations, great with the kids, loves all people and is usually chilled and mellow at home.

Sorry again for the lengthy post and thanks for reading.

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EbbyEbs · 10/09/2022 11:20

SarahSissions · 10/09/2022 10:59

I find National trust gardens (not estates or countryside ) the best place for training to stop the lunging. All other dogs have to be on the lead, and because they are usually plodding round less interesting than something wizzing all over the place. I try to go to one twice a week to practice heal work.
I find parks etc a nightmare because you think you have it cracked and then some little shit comes tearing over or you have some dog haring about after it’s ball and thus making every other dog want to join the fun.
I see a National trust membership as the price of three training sessions and I have it for the year so we’ll worth it

That’s such a brilliant idea, can you recommend any?

SarahSissions · 10/09/2022 11:51

There’s a group on Facebook National trust dog walkers, but roughly where in the country are you?

User181019 · 10/09/2022 11:52

@EbbyEbs I've also been told that the reason my dog is like this is because I don't let her play with other dogs (said by owners who aren't happy that I won't let my dog play with theirs)!

@SarahSissions this is fantastic advice! Thank you. We do have membership and an NT place near us so I'm absolutely going to try this!!

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HumbleApe · 10/09/2022 12:08

You do need to check between National Trust properties, dogs aren't allowed in the formal gardens at the one we have nearby.

EbbyEbs · 10/09/2022 13:12

SarahSissions · 10/09/2022 11:51

There’s a group on Facebook National trust dog walkers, but roughly where in the country are you?

We’re in East Yorkshire

User181019 · 10/09/2022 13:15

@HumbleApe good point. An NCT place near us is a park and dogs are allowed off lead so we won't go there but there's a garden near us that does allow dogs on lead. We've also been to NT places where no dogs are allowed as they are landscaped gardens. Thanks for reminding!

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Trulyweird1 · 10/09/2022 13:18

Another poster suggested it, but socialisation classes in groups, such as Canine Good Citizen are great for labs as they learn to be sociable in a controlled environment,
I have 2 labs, one of whom is 12 and he still likes to say hello to other dogs, but his recall is excellent so if I tell him no, he responds. But we spent 2 years in groups.

Saucery · 10/09/2022 13:38

The only time it didn't work was when an off lead dog we were distracting her from came and joined in and gobbled up her treats!!
So annoying! Angry I sometimes use Find It! without treats now so it will just mean scan-the-ground-just-in-case eventually. Watch Me used to work well with our previous Lab (loved people, not fussed about other dogs) but with the FOMO is strong in this one, so telling her not to look at something just ramped up the stress and excitement.
NT properties a good idea, local nature reserves where dogs allowed on lead too.

Pleasedontdothat · 11/09/2022 09:24

My Toller was hideous at 8 months - on the way to the park it felt like I was being towed along at high speed (and he was a lot smaller and lighter than a similar-age lab). I know it’s not much consolation now but it really did pass with time and consistent training.

We did ‘training walks’ where the goal was just to get some nice lead walking without pulling - if we only got to the end of the road in an hour that was ok. We drove to places where he could go off lead straight away go proper ‘exercise’ walks so we weren’t trying to get somewhere at the same time as training - that helped reduce my frustration which spilled over onto him.

We had him neutered at a year - younger than I’d wanted, but he’d started to get attacked on a regular basis by pretty much any entire male we met and it was starting to affect his confidence with other dogs - I think the hormone surge at adolescence plays havoc with lots of dogs’ ability to take in training. For us, that was a turning point - he immediately stopped being a target, and he wasn’t as obsessed with other dogs and around that time he started getting interested in swimming and retrieving which are now his twin passions. With dogs he doesn’t know he’s now polite but aloof - he’ll say hello and very occasionally play but most of the time it’s a quick hello and moves on.

He’s 9 now and I can’t remember the last time he pulled on the lead or was difficult on walks - he trots along beside me on a loose lead, when he’s off-lead he’s constantly checking in, he sits and waits to cross the road and gets lots of comments along the lines of ‘look at that beautifully behaved dog, why can’t you be more like that?’ 😂

It will come - be calm, consistent and say to yourself ‘this too shall pass’

Whokno · 11/09/2022 16:14

I'd really recommend a good behaviouralist. I was put off by the cost for ages & because our issues didn't seem bad enough, but it was a wonderful investment in the end. Disengagement techniques are your friend- and knowing once she is aroused it's already too late to train.

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