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Is this a problem with the walker or a problem with the dog? WWYD

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HairInMyEye · 04/05/2022 13:31

We have a cocker spaniel who is almost 2. He's always been the softest, daftest boy. Has never bitten, resource guarded or even so much as growled. I work FT out of the house and dp works PT in the house so during the week, for 3 days, a walker takes him out. On the other weekdays dp walks him and I walk him on the weekend.

On the weekend, I do one walk just me and him and the other walks with a friend who has a large breed dog. They get on really well and take turns running after the ball and ours will actually voluntarily give the other dog the ball so it gives him the opportunity to chase her etc. We are in a busy area and meet loads of dogs and never once have I seen an issue with our dog and another one.

The walker has started complaining recently that he is being too dominant. He wasn't neutered so we chose to get the implant and that has shrunk his balls to nothing. We didn't notice a change in his behaviour other than he has stopped marking/weeing as much when out. She immediately said the implant wouldn't work, she'd tried it with one of her dogs and the only answer was neutering but we didn't want him to have the op when we weren't sure this was the problem.

She's now come back to us to say she doesn't want to walk him any more unless we neuter him as he's too much of a problem with other dogs. That he pins them down and tries to bite them. The problem is that we haven't ever seen this behaviour. We went to the vet who at first didn't believe us (they have looked after him since we got him and know his character) and then said they didn't believe that neutering was the answer and maybe the walker wasn't 'managing' the dogs properly as they found it hard to believe that he was like this.

I really like these walkers and they've walked him for a long time and walk loads of spaniels so tend to get the mad spaniel thing but I'm not sure what to do next. I know an option is changing the walker but if he really is like this, it won't solve the problem. What would you do next?

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FawnDrench · 04/05/2022 13:38

I'd ask for a video of the alleged dog behaviour so you can see what the walker is talking about.
Otherwise it's too subjective.

Suzi888 · 04/05/2022 13:38

I’d go with the dog walker, ask the walker to video the dog or just change the walker.

SarahSissions · 04/05/2022 13:44

How long ago did he have the implant? It can cause a temporary hormone surge and change behaviour that way but they then calm back down.

I’d probably ask to go along with the walker one day, or ask a friend to walk him and see what he’s like.

some people simply don’t like unneutered dogs, I’d be careful this walker isn’t projecting that, but if you have had the implant aside from it being reversible you have lost the other benefits of leaving intact.

HairInMyEye · 04/05/2022 13:48

think it was a few months ago now so I think that surge would have come and gone

he has been taken out by other people (we have adult kids) and he's never misbehaved for them either - he can be a handful in terms of pulling when he's excited but that's about it

will ask for a video

walker is v pro neutering

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purpleboy · 04/05/2022 13:59

Sounds like she is trying to push her views on you and force you to get him neutered.
Definitely ask for a video and go from there.

PollyRoulllson · 04/05/2022 14:01

Dominance in not a "thing" totally disproven. If your dogs balls have shrunk due to the implant then obviously he has no testosterone so castration will make no difference to him. The surge is well and truly passed if balls have shrunk!

Short answer ditch your dog walker.

Long answer go on walks with them to see the behaviour look at behaviour of other dogs and how they react to yours - are they the ones actually causing your dogs behaviour, then ditch the dog walker as this is something they should be able to manage

cheapascheerios · 04/05/2022 14:34

I’d stop using the walker regardless she should be managing the dog she’s walking and not allowing him in situations like that (IF she believes him to be a problem)

Wolfiefan · 04/05/2022 14:38

Dominance theory is rubbish. I would look for a new Walker. Sounds like she doesn’t understand dog behaviour.

fairylightsandwaxmelts · 04/05/2022 16:16

As a dog walker myself, please ditch your dog walker!

Dominance is, quite frankly, a load of old bollocks.

If your dog is behaving poorly on walks the most likely reason is that he is too over-stimulated. Many dogs don't cope well on big group walks and prefer to be out on their own or with a couple of calm dogs.

I personally specialise in small group walks as I think huge pack walks can be really hard for some dogs to manage on - they just find themselves surrounded by other dogs and that can be quite stressful.

I would find another walker who can maybe do smaller groups (or groups with calmer dogs) and who knows what they're talking about.

Good luck!

XelaM · 04/05/2022 20:09

Walker is the problem. Our dog is not neutered and he has a similar lovely temperament to your fog by the sounds of it. Our dog walker walks him with no issues whatsoever, even though most of the dogs she looks after are neutered.

I don't understand how your dog walker thinks neutering would help change his behaviour when he's already technically neutered with his balls shrunk. So what difference would it make to neuter him?

HairInMyEye · 11/05/2022 16:07

just to update everyone

we got a new walker to take him out on a trial last week - a v experienced man we know who only walks 4 at a time. He said that he's an incredibly loyal dog. Always looking back to check where the walker was, impeccable recall which we know. We told him to look out for the behaviour the other walker had highlighted just in case it was an issue.

he said what he observed was a lot of play bow type behaviour. That he would run into the long grass, do a play bow and want the other dogs to play with him. Then invite them to chase him which sometimes they did and sometimes they didn't but that it was clear that he liked a lot of interaction with the other dogs (he wasn't a loner as such). He said in his mind fairly typical cocker exuberance behaviour and that they v rarely calm down or really stop being puppy like and he was very like this (he is still young)!

he also doesn't believe he's aggressive - he said he's soppy and daft but he can see how he might get overwhelmed as he has no off button and he sprints the entire walk but again nothing he hasn't seen in cockers before. He did say you need a certain level of experience to cope with a dog like him 😂

so i feel quite relieved - he's happy to carry on walking him, said he really likes him and he's a pleasure to take out because he enjoys it so much :)

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SarahSissions · 11/05/2022 19:48

Love this!! Thanks for the update

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