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If you're worried about your pet's health, please speak to a vet or qualified professional.

Those of you who have neutered male dogs.

54 replies

Doglikeahorse · 30/03/2022 10:24

Can I ask a couple of questions please Grin

What age did you neuter?
Did you notice any changes in behaviour? If so what?
If you had any behavioural issues did they improve?
Would you do it again?

Thanks!

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Doglikeahorse · 30/03/2022 11:48

Forgot to say he’s 2 years old. The problems started at about 18 months and I’ve had hell ever since.

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Doglikeahorse · 30/03/2022 11:48

Help…not hell Grin

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FourOclock · 30/03/2022 11:55

Ours was 5 when we got him neutered. He just suddenly started legging it in a hunt for a bitch and we kept bloody losing him. His coat has been fine actually, it's very sleek now but that may be because he's in retirement from being a farm dog so not outdoors in all weathers constantly anymore Grin his running off behaviour did improve almost instantly though.

FlipFlops4Me · 30/03/2022 12:02

My totally gorgeous male rescue dog (small breed) was 3 when I got him and entire. I had him neutered very quickly and he is great mates with our spayed bitch - they play very well together. I think if I'd left him entire he'd been wholly focussed on sex - he was bad enough for the few days I had him before we went to the vet.

He hasn't seemed to notice the missing bits and certainly he is so much better around bitches when we're out.

Shostaklovhich · 30/03/2022 12:04

Neutered at 15 months, vet would not neuter earlier. I didn’t notice any changes other than less humping but this wasn’t immediate. Vet said he would be less likely to chase wild animals, ie rabbits / birds etc. he still does this. He’s more chilled around the house but this could also be due to him maturing. I probably would do it again.

Figgyboa · 30/03/2022 12:21

8 months, no change in his demeanor or behavior.
Yes, would always neuter or spay a dog, I think its irresponsible dog ownership to not.

Sillyotter · 30/03/2022 12:23

Also look up feeding advice and speak to the vet about it. Energy requirements drop about 30% post neutering so they will need less food to avoid weight gain

littlepeas · 30/03/2022 12:32

Our retriever was done at around 11 months. He was a typical teenage dog before and after Grin but did stop getting his penis out.....we had an entire male yorkie when I was a kid - he used to regularly masturbate with a toy monkey. Our dog doesn't do stuff like that.

We will get our lab puppy done at a similar age.

24petlegs · 30/03/2022 12:40

What age did you neuter? 18months (breed recommendation/minimum age)

Did you notice any changes in behaviour? If so what? None except he put on weight far quicker than I imagined

If you had any behavioural issues did they improve? He stopped humping the cats, his scent marking lessened

Would you do it again? Puppy is nearly 7 months old and will be done around the 18months mark but it will depend how much humping of the cats he will be doing.

Doglikeahorse · 30/03/2022 12:44

Thankfully my dog has no humping or running off behaviour as yet! Literally the only issue is him being grumpy with other strange dogs bouncing around him.

Is this enough of a reason to neuter a very large dog though now the evidence points to issues with joints and certain cancers once castrated?
I have 0 intention to breed nor would he be likely to escape, it’s more his health I’m worried about.

It’s probably not going to solve the issue but my trainer suggested it may reduce as it’s mainly entire males and large breeds that set him off.

I have 2 other neutered females and let them have a season each but they are smaller. He has 0 interest in either.

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nearlyspringyay · 30/03/2022 12:49

6 months, no changes. He's 11 though so I think advice has changed in age / breed!

tabulahrasa · 30/03/2022 13:02

“Is this enough of a reason to neuter a very large dog though now the evidence points to issues with joints and certain cancers once castrated?”

From my understanding that’s with early neutering, as in before they’ve finished growing and not neutering in general, talk it over with your vet though to check.

PollyRoulllson · 30/03/2022 13:33

Read the McGreevy et al study and new frontiers study.

New frontiers suggest delaying castration until after 2 years of age in gsd to prevent joint issues.

MCGreevy states that the timing of castration is important and that 29 unwanted behaviours occur after castration especially in early castration. Whereas castration only prevented 2 unwanted behaviours which were scent marking and a low incidence of howling when left.

I would not castrate for the reasons you give. Especially in a GSD. Behaviourally the behaviour you are describing is common in both male and femal GSD.

Doglikeahorse · 30/03/2022 13:36

Thankyou for the information @PollyRoulllson. I’ll have a read.
I wasn’t planning on neutering him until this growling thing occoured, a few people suggested because it’s directly mainly at males then castration may help.
He does scent mark a lot (outside) but I’m not really bothered about it. No separation anxiety, no interest in bitches either…just other males!

I’m planning on doing plenty of training regardless!

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InkySquid · 30/03/2022 13:49

@littlepeas - it's not recommended to neuter labs before they finish growing (if at all). At 11 months he'll still be growing.

PollyRoulllson · 30/03/2022 14:12

OP the assumption that people jump to when a male dog growls or reacts to another male dog is that the dog is showing aggression or a need to "dominate" the other male dog, the dog is seeing the other dog as a threat. This is a wrong conclusion although still commonly thrown around.

This is just the opposite of the emotions the dog will be feeling. The reacting dog will be unsure, stressed, anxious being around another male dog and so will react to increase space between them and the other dog.

A confident dog will never need to growl or react at another dog it is the anxious, timid or nervous dogs that do.

PollyRoulllson · 30/03/2022 14:17

You could try the chemical castration but I wouldnt again people do not understand the impact of this.

Initially after the implant testosterone will actually increase for a while - at this stage people say "fab it has worked see how much better my dogs is"- ironically this is due to the increase in testosterone not decrease.

It takes about 4 weeks for the testosterone levels to be the same as after full castration so it is at this point that any changes in behaviour need to be considered.

TreetopsandTailwaggers · 30/03/2022 14:23

I have had three male dogs, all rescues, all neutered at different ages for different reasons.

First was a GSD cross rescued from a puppy farm as a pup and highly fear aggressive. This was decades ago and I knew nothing about dog behaviour back then. Bloody awful veterinary behaviourist we saw recommended getting him neutered at 8 months. Worst mistake ever, his aggression and nervousness increased and we ended up having to change our whole lives and move house to make sure he could live a full life and not endanger anyone else.

Second was another large breed, not neutered until he was 8 and then only for medical reasons (prostate and bladder related). No change in behaviour at all, still the same lovely placid dog he always was, but we had to reduce his food intake and he did gain weight more easily afterwards.

Third, also a large breed, rescue tried to force us to neuter at 6 months, my vet refused and wrote a report that the rescue accepted. He was highly anxious, scared of other dogs when they were off the lead and had developed lead reactivity. The rescue tried again to force us, against veterinary and behaviourist advice when he was 1 year old. We fought it, but they threatened to sue us and take him back, so we had no choice, after all the wrangling he was eventually done at 18 months and was anxious, fearful and reactive to other dogs his whole life, despite lots of work and excellent behaviourist input. General consensus was that he was always going to be that way due to poor breeding and a really bad start in life, but that neutering compounded it and made it harder to overcome.

I would never neuter for aggressive behaviour and would definitely follow the science on when/if it should be done. The study PollyRoulllson referred to is really worth a read.

We will be getting our next puppy in a few months (Mum is due any day!) and as it stands, I am not planning to neuter or if I do it won’t be until well after he is fully mature and grown.

As a complete aside, but possibly relevant point, going into menopause myself has made me really think about neutering pets. The loss of my own hormones, by perfectly natural age-appropriate means, has had a really detrimental effect on both my physical and mental wellbeing, including suddenly developing anxiety for no apparent reason, so why would removing the hormones of otherwise healthy happy dogs be any different. I’m still musing this point, but it’s definitely food for thought.

I’m not anti-neutering, I just think it needs to be considered on a case-by-case basis and all the relevant factors properly considered. I totally understand why rescues feel the way they do about it, but for individual owners of non-rescue dogs it needs to be a carefully considered decision and not an assumption that it’s always necessary. As for rescues that threaten to sue when an adopter says they want to delay neutering per advice from both veterinary and specialist behaviourist sources who have been working closely with that particular dog. Well that to me is absolutely bonkers and when policy starts ruling ahead of the welfare of the animals they say they are protecting - especially when they are willing to use their funds to sue the adopter who has spent the last 18 months spending thousands on specialists trying to help the dog.

EmmaGrundyForPM · 30/03/2022 14:27

8 months, which was earlier than planned but he had to be suspended from day care as he was trying to mount the females. He loves day care so after speaking to the vet and being reassured that he wasn't too young, we went ahead.

No change in behaviour apart from no longer trying to hump other dogs. No weight gain.

Glad we did it.

RoastedFerret · 30/03/2022 14:31

Ours was neutered at about 9months I think? There was no change in behaviour at all, he still tries to hump our spayed female dogs head every evening Hmm

jytdtysrht · 30/03/2022 14:33

10 months (small dog, so basically adult)

No change in behaviour or anything at all.

Apparently this is the case for some dogs.

fairylightsandwaxmelts · 30/03/2022 15:35

What age did you neuter?
Eighteen months. He's a beagle so we waited until he was fully grown.

Did you notice any changes in behaviour? If so what?
He calmed down but I think this was more age related than due to neutering. He never marked or anything like that.

If you had any behavioural issues did they improve?
He's always been slightly lead reactive and neutering made no difference.

Would you do it again?
I would try chemical castration first next time.

muddyford · 30/03/2022 20:04

With my first dog, he was neutered at 9 on veterinary advice, due to an enlarged prostate. He was peeing blood. His recall improved almost immediately.
Second dog was done a bit earlier than ideal at 15 months, but was humping a friend's bitch constantly. This behaviour rapidly wound down and stopped.
Third dog done at 18 months. No changes noticed at all.
Fourth dog will be done around 2, when he is physically and mentally mature, unless there is a reason to do it earlier or to delay.
All have been bold and mentally resilient.

Els1e · 31/03/2022 14:31

Mine was 22 months and on the advice of the vet. His manner didn’t really change. He was a happy, confident boy before and after. However, he did stop the unwanted behaviour of humping a lot. The odd cushion or toy was one thing but when he started on visitors legs, my 3 year old nephew it was getting a bit much. We also had no intention of breeding from him.

underneaththeash · 31/03/2022 14:35

Ours was about 7 months.
No change in personality. Stopped humping DH’s leg. Coat looks the same as siblings still. (Their coats change anyway at 1).