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Crate training and car travel issues - is it too late to fix?

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ClaireandTed · 29/03/2022 17:35

I have a 17 week old Tibetan terrier who has been described by her puppy school teacher as 'challenging' and a 'baptism of fire'. 🤣She is our first dog so it's been very difficult but the last 3 weeks have definitely been better.

She is extremely clever. She is trainable, but when there is something she doesn't want to do she simply won't do it, no matter how much she adores the treat, praise etc.

Her behaviour in general is improving, the biting is getting less hard, she is super sociable and confident, and she is even starting to settle in the evenings (not the day!!). She also enjoys a good cuddle and belly rub occasionally. We have plenty to work on eg loose lead walking and recall, and over stimulation, but that's fine and I am confident it will improve.

However there are two areas that are really worrying me / getting me down, because I have the sinking feeling that I've messed up for good, that they won't improve and that it is affecting her feelings for me.

  1. The car. We currently use a carrier with meshed sides, it's big enough for her to turn around, stretch out etc. It goes in the front seat. She absolutely HATES getting in, but confusingly she also hates getting out. We have to throw in lots of food when putting her in but she pushes her head out while she are trying to zip it up and bites. And then when we try to get her out she barks and bites, it's a nightmare - we have to drag her out. We can't transport her in the boot because my son's wheelchair needs to go there. And there's absolutely no way she'd sit safely in a bucket seat thingy. I did try to introduce her to the car in a slow way with lots of treats, but I know I didn't put in enough effort. Is it too late to start from scratch somehow? Or might she always hate the car 😥. I hate the physical struggle and don't want to make her unhappy.
  1. The crate. She has to be crated on school runs for safety in the home in her crate downstairs. She is so good at jumping that a play pen wouldn't work. I nearly always time it so she is ready for a nap. She sleeps happily in her crate upstairs all night, no problems.
Once I get her in to the daytime crate before the school run, she nearly always settles down and naps straightaway. But she doesn't like getting in. Luring with treats doesn't work, she knows exactly what I'm doing. As soon as she senses I need to get her in, she paces around, avoiding me, then nips when I finally manage to pick her up. She doesn't get massively distressed in the crate, but I feel like twice a day every day we have this moment where she doesn't trust me at all, and I don't like it, I worry that it is affecting our bonding. Also there's no way she'd be comfortable inside the crate if she was not tired. No way - not for a kong, toys, amazing treats, anything. And obviously in future I may have to put her in her crate sometimes when awake. Do you think she will magically start to like it one day? I've tried 'starting again' with crate games, feeding her inside etc but it hasn't seemed to make a difference.

Thanks and sorry for the long ramble!

Crate training and car travel issues - is it too late to fix?
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PollyRoulllson · 29/03/2022 17:44

You have not caused any issues - all normal and all will disapper.

Re car crate:-

Putting her in do as you are doing but then give her an extra treat just before you zip it up. So her head will be down and you can close it with no trauma.

When you get her out can you lift the crate out and put it on the floor open the door and just walk away. Obviously put it somewhere safe, she can then walk out when she is ready.

House Crate - feed her in her crate for all of her meals. Dont say anything just let her see you put her bowl in it and let her eat it in her crate. Randomly through the day put a yummy treat in the crate so she can see but do not encourage her to go in - it is her choice. She will soon start to enter of her own free will. This over time will stop the hesistancy in going into the crate.

She is lovely Smile

PineappleRingo · 29/03/2022 18:54

A new trainer who doesn’t say stupid things like she’s challenging!
I can’t imagine a mesh carrier on the front seat is very stable? I’d make it cosy and put her in the boot so it’s more stable. Practise daily getting in and out of the crate

Crate training try just putting treats in it randomly throughout the day. No shutting in for now. Lots of fun treats and toys that appear in the crate break the associate of crate = shut in.

PineappleRingo · 29/03/2022 18:57

Missed your comment about why dpup can’t go in the boot. Can she go on a back seat? I just can’t imagine how the front seat makes for a comfortable drive for her.

Z1nn1a · 29/03/2022 19:04

We have a 13 week cockapoo who looks very similar to your dog. Re the car she just sits on her blanket in a harness clipped to the seatbelt. Loves it and likes looking through the seats out the front window. Think she’d hate being zipped in something. She does the school run twice a day.

Cryofthecurlew · 29/03/2022 19:42

My dog despite all my efforts when he was a puppy hated the car he used to start vomiting and shaking just walking towards it, he drooled the whole time he was in it and I couldn't feed him and take him out in the car on the same day because despite being a small dog he would vomit everywhere. I tried medication etc it made no difference. So for years he rarely if ever went in it in. Then when he was 9 yrs old I moved house but at least once a month I travel back to my old address it's a 6+ hour journey. I bought a metal crate for the boot and just picked him up and put him in it; he's got to come with me so he's just has to put up with it. 17 months in he now happily jumps in the car and I can take him anywhere, no drooling no vomiting, does he like travelling in the car probably not his first choice but like me he just gets on with it.

ClaireandTed · 29/03/2022 20:19

@PollyRoulllson thanks so much! That's really reassuring. Good idea about lifting the car carrier out where possible, it's a bit of a struggle but if it helps to de-escalate the situation it's worth trying. I'll definitely start feeding all her meals in the crate too plus random treats thanks!

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ClaireandTed · 29/03/2022 20:20

@PineappleRingo thanks!!

I think you're right she feels scared of the carrier because it's not that stable. Sadly we can't use the boot as that space is nearly taken up by my son's wheelchair. But I wonder whether trying a metal crate on the back seat might be more stable, less wobbly and give her a better view.

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ClaireandTed · 29/03/2022 20:22

@PineappleRingo sorry missed your reply too 🤣 yes we'll try the back seat. I guess I thought if she was next to me she'd be calmer but it's definitely not working.

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ClaireandTed · 29/03/2022 20:25

@Z1nn1a yes definitely that would be my dream scenario or some kind of open bucket seat....she's soooooo boisterous and jumpy that I assume it wouldn't work but I need to try it with someone else alongside for safety.

@cryofthecurlew that sounds very stressful but I'm really glad things have changed now! Gives me hope that I can turn things around.

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Cryofthecurlew · 29/03/2022 20:32

Part of me thinks crating my dog when he was in the car is what resolved the problem he was safe and in a confined space and couldn't slide around (prior to this he was behind a dog grill in the boot). On the other hand if I have both the boot and the rear passenger door open and I say "in the car" he always jumps on the back seat!

XelaM · 29/03/2022 22:20

Don't zip your dog up in anything in the car, no wonder she hates it. Ours is just clipped to the seatbelt in the backseat and looks out the window or sleeps. Can you not try that to see if she'll be calmer?

ClaireandTed · 30/03/2022 21:45

Sleeps? What is that? 🤣 She's a particularly lively dog @XelaM - sitting still and looking out a window calmly doesn't come naturally to her, so we used the carrier for her safety.

When we first brought her home I sat with her a few times on the back seat (car engine off) feeding her lots of treats, she hated it, started scrabbling about looking to escape, pulling on the lead thingy, trying to jump down into the footwell etc.

But yes now she's a little older I will try the backseat again. Just don't want her to injure herself.

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