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How to handle this situation

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Minkyscamp · 08/02/2022 10:33

Need some advice on an upsetting situation. In short, my dog injured a friend's dog in a scuffle last week. The friend's dog had a small injury to her eye which hasn't responded well to treatment and now she's being referred as an emergency and may have to have her eye removed.

The backstory is that my friend's dog has never taken to my dog. She's 10yrs old, and they are family friends. We also have a 10yr old dog, and they've always got on well. When our younger dog came along (2 now) the friend's dog would snap and snarl if she came near, so we've always had distance between them. We've been walking them together and as long as my dog doesn't get too close (which she doesn't) they are fine. My dog is generally pretty laidback and just keeps her distance. She's never had any problems with other dogs.

On Friday my friend wanted to come back to mine after the walk to look at something. She kept her dog on the lead for the reasons I've mentioned above. She's previously been very apologetic for how her dog behaves (it's not just our younger dog she's grumpy with but other dogs too if she doesn't know them well).

The dogs were both with us as we sat around a table. Then her dog (on a lead) went over to mine (not on a lead) and mine was looking uncomfortable (turning her head away, showing the whites of her eyes) so we called the friend's dog away - she was still on a lead. They separated, and I turned my back to get something and there was a short scuffle. They started fighting and we immediately separated them, it was over in a matter of seconds. My friend who saw the incident said my dog started it, and was biting her dogs face. I think this sounds very out of character, but obviously can't dispute that.

We didn't realise there was anything wrong with my friend's dogs eye until she was leaving about an hour or so later.

I'm obviously worried about my friend's dog, and what happened is awful. But I don't know how to approach the situation. I.e. whether to be apologetic and accept responsibility/blame in some way? I think the rational part of my brain tells me it was one of those things, and that both dogs were at fault. My dog has always been so good at just ignoring my friend's dogs aggression towards her. I appreciate that allowing my friend to come in the house with her dog was a bad decision and I should have refused, and I do feel bad for that. Clearly we had become complacent as they had been walking together so well, and we should have been more cautious. But what about the fact that the injury was inflicted by my dog?

One other thing for completeness - this is somewhat tainted by a previous incident where my (then) toddler picked up a piece of coal from this friend's fireplace and threw in onto their carpet. They were very cross about it, and despite us apologising profusely, and having the carpets professionally cleaned etc, it took a long time for things to return to something resembling normal between us. I'm really worried that if we apologise and accept in any way that this was solely the fault of our dog (as opposed to both of them being at fault in some way) they will run with that and not recognise the part their dog has played in this.

If you could help me see clearly, that would be helpful. Sensitive comments only please, it's all very upsetting.

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trumpisagit · 08/02/2022 10:43

It doesn't sound like your dog was at fault.
From your dog's perspective she was cornered by an aggressive dog in her home.
Don't take responsibility.

Maneandfeathers · 08/02/2022 10:47

Dogs sometimes have scuffles. I wouldn’t say anyone is really at fault and dogs will be dogs.

I would walk separately from now on if your friends going to be funny about it!

BattleMyDemons · 08/02/2022 10:50

She sounds like too much work for me based on the coal incident. Obviously you should both not have let your dogs mix as they did but it’s done now. She should have kept her dogs lead short so she couldn’t approach your dog.

I would be concerned about the dog and would genuinely be concerned about her eye, poor baby, but certainly not taking the blame.

I hope the dog is ok, that’s all that matters really. And of course dong put any dog in that situation again.

BattleMyDemons · 08/02/2022 10:50

don’t

Easterbunnyiswindowshopping · 08/02/2022 10:59

Imo your friend opted to bring her ddog into your home. She took the risk. Bad move on her part...
Do not accept any blame op.

Alittlepotofrosie · 08/02/2022 11:04

You were both foolish to have both dogs in the same room - i would say she's more at fault though, her dog is the usual aggressor and therefore your friend should have kept her dog well away from yours. It was on a lead so why didn't she have it under close control? So it's her fault for taking her dog into your home and letting it approach your dog, knowing there was likely to be trouble. If she doesn't accept that and she's going to be funny about it then its probably the end of your friendship, considering what she was like about a dirty carpet.

user094746788 · 08/02/2022 11:07

I have a dog that will be a twat in such a situation - great with dogs outside and a twat in enclosed spaces. I don't take him to a friend's house if they have a dog.

If he starts a scuffle, I rather take the view that he deserves what he gets. I'll break up the scuffle and he'll get all the care he needs, but no sympathy from me!

It wouldn't take much to injure an eye - just a misplaced tooth or claw in the scuffle. Unlike, for instance, a bit of torn skin.

Sounds like it was avoidable, but just one of those things.

Are both dogs insured?

OooohBabyBaby · 08/02/2022 11:15

Your friend sounds like hard work

You can’t change what happened but I wouldn’t walk with her it’s not fair on your dog. And that situation shouldn’t of happened if your friend had her dog under control so not sure what her issue is.

Not sure I’d bother preserving a friendship let the insurance sort out the eye issues.

Minkyscamp · 08/02/2022 11:17

Thanks for all you replies. It's one of those situations where some objectivity is needed. It's obviously a bit emotionally charged and I feel so sorry for her lovely dog that I can't see clearly what's right and wrong.

In answer to @user094746788 our dog is insured, not sure about theirs.

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user094746788 · 08/02/2022 11:23

I suppose one possible outcome for this, if her dog is uninsured, is that she tries to claim off the third party liability insurance on your dog.

When it came to the question of fault I think it would be very he-said-she-said.

Or perhaps it works like a car crash and her insurers will try to recover costs from yours anyway? I'm not sure tbh.

I certainly wouldn't allow the two dogs to come into contact again. I'll leave you to decide on the friendship!

Littlehouseonthefairy · 08/02/2022 11:25

I wouldn't have bothered with her after the fuss about the coal. How rude! Based on how she reacted to that I think it probably doesn't matter what you do or say she will probably be raging with you and your dog.

If this is an honest account of what happened the fault, if there had to be one, lies with her and her dog. She brought her dog into your house knowing he was aggressive towards your dog. Chances were something would happen and the odds were probably on it being your dog who got hurt. She took those chances and they didn't work out for her dog. But really the dogs had a scuffle, one of them got hurt and it isn't something for you to fall out over. Dogs do sometimes fight. We should try and minimise the opportunity for this but nobody did anything terrible here. You can still be friends.

AndAnotherNewOne · 08/02/2022 11:33

Her dog's insurance should cover any vet's bill. If she doesn't have insurance it's her fault and still not your responsibility.

PollyRoulllson · 08/02/2022 13:04

I dont mean this harshly it will sound it but easy to comment with the joy of hindsight!

I would never have let your friends dogs into my house or the same room as my dog. Your dog was put under huge pressure and had no control over the situation, so in the eyes of your dog it was your fault (but I totally understand why you did it and the difficulty with friends relationships etc)

Then her dog (on a lead) went over to mine (not on a lead) and mine was looking uncomfortable (turning her head away, showing* the whites of her eyes) so we called the friend's dog away - she was still on a lead

At this stage I would have changed the situation and removed my dog or asked her to take her dog out.

The fact that her dog was on lead and was still able to get to your dog is her fault.

Minkyscamp · 08/02/2022 13:20

@PollyRoulllson yes I completely agree, I should have done more to change the situation when I could see my dog was uncomfortable. I thought by her moving her dog away, that was sufficient, but it clearly wasn't. It just didn't occur to me (or her no doubt) that it would be my dog that started anything. I assumed, wrongly, that as long as her dog had been moved away my dog would relax and nothing could happen.

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Floralnomad · 08/02/2022 14:52

It’s utter madness to allow a dog that neither of your dogs particularly get on with and that actively dislikes your dogs to enter your home as obviously your dog then views it as invading her / his space . That said her dog was on a lead so she should have had enough control to avoid a fight so I wouldn’t accept responsibility . Why have you not asked her if the dog is insured ? In future stop walking with her , she sounds like very hard work .

PollyRoulllson · 08/02/2022 14:55

It wasnt your dog that started anything - your dog (if it was your dog that started it when you could not see it - convenient for your friend) was reacting to your friends dog.

It was her dog that started it at the first instance that your dog had to turn away to try to play peace maker.That did not stop your friends dog so you dog had to up the anti or defend themselves (depending on what really did happen)I bet her dog approached your dog again tbh.

fairylightsandwaxmelts · 08/02/2022 15:51

Hmm - I think you are both at fault here.

You know your friends' dog is reactive and has snapped and snarled at your dog before - so, I have to ask, what on earth are you doing walking them together, let alone allowing the aggressor into your dogs' home and space?

You need to be your dogs' advocate here - she can't speak for herself. She is walked with a dog who has aggressed towards her before, and then that dog is brought into her safe space. She appeased with her body language but nobody listened and took the dog away - so her next (natural) response was to snap and bite.

Neither of you should have put your dogs in that position to begin with - the resulting scuffle was inevitable given their history and it's just unlucky that it was your friends' dog that took the brunt of it.

Insurance wise, I have no idea what will happen, though. I don't think this is as clear cut as "it's definitely x's fault'.

Littlehouseonthefairy · 08/02/2022 17:24

I don't think it matters whose fault it is. When your dog incurs vet bills you claim it on your insurance if you have insurance. She won't need your insurance if she has her own. It would be very rude to ask to use yours imo but if you have insurance I suppose it won't matter too much as you will be covered.

PollyRoulllson · 08/02/2022 17:30

It will matter if OP uses their insurance as they will have to admit to a dog fight and claim responsibility - her insurance will rocket .

The case will be studied by the insurance and Op will have to be proved to be legally liable. That will mean there has to be negligence on the side of the OP. If the dog has never shown aggression in anyway that can be be proved.I strongly doubt that theOP insurance will pay out on this incident anyway

YanTanTetheraPetheraPimp · 08/02/2022 19:21

I certainly wouldn’t accept any responsibility, she knew that the dogs barely tolerated each other yet she brought her dog into your house?
Personally I would cool the friendship and certainly avoid dog walking together from here on in. It’s unfair on the dogs to force them into each other’s company.
My DDog isn’t keen on a dog we sometimes encounter out walking and it would never occur to me that we should pair up for walks. The owner is a friend of ours and we know our dogs and their level of tolerance.

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