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Young dog getting growled at by other dog

34 replies

Doggedydog · 02/02/2022 12:02

Hi,
Hoping for some advice here
Our 9 month labradoodle is really friendly, loves everyone and wants to play with all dogs. We have worked a lot on his recall, making sure that he gives dogs a sniff and can now walk past them without immediately jumping to play.
We have a lovely doggy park near us and there are always friendly people with friendly dogs for ours to play with. So far, so good.
I have joined a dog walking group, but the last few times we have been the same dog, a 1 yr old Labrador has growled, barked at and chased my dog in a very unfriendly way. I haven’t seen him nipping mine but have heard mine yelping. Both times, the owner shouted at her dog but didn’t make a move to do anything so each time I’ve called mine away and we have walked on.
Two questions:

  1. How much can these experiences make my dog reactive? Is two experiences enough to do any harm?
  2. What to do going forward - I don’t want to avoid the dog walking group entirely but I’m intending to put control in place, ie walk my dog away from them, make sure he doesn’t see this other dog again (if possible), give him a day or two to calm down from the experience.

Not sure I’m overthinking this! But I read a puppy book that said even one negative experience can make a dog reactive and just wondering how true this is

OP posts:
Littlehouseonthefairy · 02/02/2022 22:32

My dog was very like yours. Overly friendly, wanting to be friends with every dog he saw. He has had a few experiences of being chased and pinned down. These didn't bother or change him. But he was attacked whilst on the lead by a dog that swooped in from nowhere already in attack mode and bit him repeatedly. He is now scared of other dogs, all other dogs other than the ones he already knew. I hate the owner of that dog who watched and did nothing to help. I would avoid that dog walking group and turn round and walk in the opposite direction if you see them coming. It is not worth the risk.

MrsWinters · 03/02/2022 10:48

I’d avoid the group going forwards, teach your dog the level of play and type of interaction that you feel comfortable with. If you felt the group was a bit growly then your dog doesn’t need to play with them.
For all this positive only force free training that’s being promoted at the moment, there’s still lots of people who are of the mindset of just let the dogs sort it out for themselves or he’s just being put in his place. Which I’m not against- but I do think you need to have a strong understanding of canine behaviour to read, and I don’t think many ordinary pet owners can do this. They just use it to excuse their dog being a bit aggressive, or push the blame back onto your dog so they can continue to let theirs run riot.
Coupled with the “he’s never done that before” (yeah right) they drive me loopy

pilates · 03/02/2022 14:58

It sounds like an intact dog v neutered dog conflict. It does happen and quite common ime.

MaChienEstUnDick · 03/02/2022 15:05

@tabulahrasa

It kind of doesn’t really matter whether the issue is your dog doing something or the other dog developing an issue due to being neutered - or both or something else entirely.

Because the only bit of the equation you can control is your dog.

So realistically all you can do is keep your dog away from that dog and keep an eye out for anything he might be doing that you can potentially work on.

This. My behaviourist would always say 'classic conditioning is the first step, that is, does it negatively impact your life if you take away the source of this stress completely rather than training around it.'

So if your dog is, say, absolutely petrified of men and you live with a DH - you're going to have to do something about that.

With this, there's something going on and you can worry and fret about what it is, or you can avoid the group. We have a similar situation with a lovely dog whom I adore, but who is intensely annoyed by my dog. When we see each other, it's leads on and walk in a different direction. No hassle. Control what you can control.

Thermalpants · 04/02/2022 22:07

OP, I had very similar experiences when my dog was a teenager. He is a friendly dog, and as a puppy loved to meet other dogs. When he was around 8 months he was attacked by a few dogs. Most of it was noise. He would yelp. It was not very pleasant. It is very difficult to see what is going on when another dog rushes at your dog. One dog cut my dog’s chin when it pinned him. These attacks all happened when my dog was intact, and his testosterone would have been through the roof. It hasn’t happened since he has been castrated. Intact dogs can bring out the worst in some dogs. I’d keep well away from that particular dog for the time being. Trust your instincts and walk away.

contrary13 · 07/02/2022 03:18

Sometimes, though, it's just an older dog reminding the younger dog that they ought to be a bit more respectful/mind their manners/behave themselves.

My parents have a GSD who is 6 months older than my (much smaller) Kokoni. He is intact, she (for obvious reasons just mentioned) was spayed as soon as she could be. She lived, for the first 2 years of her life with my older (he was 13 when he died, would be 16 this year if he hadn't) Springer. Both pups were raised with the Springer. Now, my Springer was the most placid of dogs going, apart from grumbling when he couldn't catch a decent nap every now and then. The GSD respected him absolutely to the point that if we were visiting my parents (ie, the GSD's) home, and my Springer lay in the doorway, the GSD wouldn't do what most other dogs would and walk over him. He would wait until either I realised my dog was in the way and moved him... or the by then elderly and deaf Springer woke up from a nap and shifted himself somewhere else. In comparison, the Kokoni who lived with him would literally grabhim by an ear and drag him to the door if the postman knocked, whilst barking, because he just didn't give a shit - he'd worked out that the postman was not a threat to his household/family many years before.

The GSD, despite being only 6 months older, will (and always has done) tell the Kokoni off. If she goes off down a path he knows they're not meant to go down, he'll fetch her back - and I'm sure to passers-by, it probably looks/sounds like he's attacking her because he has her by the scruff and is growling/whining, it's hard to describe, but he is yelling at her. Except, he's not. He's reminding her, as the older dog in the family, that he's in charge and she is to do as sghe's told (she has perfect recall, as does he, but he does like to throw his weight about a bit). Yet she will also remind him that I'm disabled and he's not to climb all over me every ten minutes, by standing on my knees so they're eye level and growling. They have never had an actual set to. It's just saying "these are the the boundaries, don't wander past them, else I'll remind you why it's not a great idea for you to do so!".

The neuterued dog will still have ghormones going haywire and may even still be in pain from the op. Thus making them a little more reactive to the intact males bounding around. All you can worry about, though, OP, is your dog - and socialisation as well as continuous good training is key. Along with an understanding of dog's communication and how your dog yelping may be a "I'm a pup still!" pleas rather than the older dog having nipped at him. If your pup is going to disrespect another dog's boundaries, however, he's going to have to learn to back down - and one day he may well end up reactive, because he hasn't understood the micro-signals that all dogs (and cats) use to communicate. I used to watch my Springer's eyebrows as to when he'd had enough of two pups rampaging around him, weirdly, so it might work for you to learn your pup's own body language/facial expressions before exposing him to other, older, potentially in pain still dogs.

But also understand that not every dog being walked off-lead is dog-friendly. Or they have owners who got them on a whim and didn't bother to put the work in to training them, so they became reactive/nasty to other dogs. And I say that as someone whose daughter bought the Kokoni on a whim, as an 8 week old puppy, from a website... and then dumped her in my lap and couldn';t be arsed to do anything constructuve towards training/paying attention to her. Pre-lockdown by almost 3 years. We were her 3rd home in 4 days, apparently. I put the work in, and she is my little shadow as a direct result (and currently has a kitten climbing on her back, so clearly not as nasty as her grumble would imply).

Good luck

Girlintheframe · 07/02/2022 07:04

I suspect it's because he is an intact male.

Our dog is very polite and non bouncy. Isint really interest in engaging with other dogs beyond a sniff but still gets growled at, always by neutered males.

Ihaventgottimeforthis · 07/02/2022 12:13

I would say that a massive dog group full of young high energy dogs is a potential recipe for disaster anyway, so would recommend avoiding or just dropping in occasionally, and giving nemesis dog a very wide berth.
Carrying on teaching your dog to ignore other dogs unless you give permission to play is a great strategy, and perhaps just having dog play with a couple of other placid dogs, at least until yours is matured.

Undisclosedlocation · 08/02/2022 18:37

How do you know that? It’s the first time I’ve met them, and the dog’s owner said he’s been a nightmare for the last few weeks with in tact dogs since being neutered.

This is very likely to be at least part of the cause. It takes 2-3 months for a neutered dogs hormones to settle after the op and at that time, they are getting used to ‘the new normal’ and behaviourally adjusting
It is quite common for them to react in this time as they take a knock to their confidence with the drop in testosterone. Some get over it, others unfortunately continue to struggle which is why it is not generally recommended to neuter an already fearful dog.
I would avoid this dog for the short term and maybe revisit the walking group in a few weeks, with good distance between you and see how it goes.
It is possible though, that your own dogs hormones and over enthusiastic nature will continue to get him into trouble. As an intact male, he may be targeted regularly in this manner. I would never personally take a young intact adolescent to a group free for all/ruff and tumble type walk.
The play can get out of hand very easily and the dogs are over adrenalised and likely to make bad choices. Calm, managed interactions with quieter, adult dogs will serve him (and you) much better for the future

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