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Impossible to control dog near open ground - help!

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DesperateDogDog · 19/12/2021 18:38

We have an amazing cocker (18 months) - beautiful nature, well behaved, never had any problems in the house, walks well on the lead on the pavement, good recall and obedient.

However if we go for a walk (on lead) and he sees open land, a green space or any of the spaces we allow him off lead, he becomes completely uncontrollable. He will start pulling so hard and whining at the top of his voice - if you let go at any stage, he would run across roads to get to the space.

We have seen 2 trainers - first one said she thought it was an issue as he has a walker who takes him to fenced in green space (in a van) and he's allowed to do what he wants so he's learned green space = off lead/do what I like. Second trainer said to turn around when he behaves like that and go home but even if we do that, he doesn't seem to learn that if he behaves that way we don't go.

It is starting to really worry me. Today he spotted a village green and he was actively trying to throw himself off the pavement to cross the road to get to it. I end up with his lead so tight he's practically walking only on his hind legs. I know it sounds odd as cockers are small but he's incredibly hard to hold on to and it looks like we are wrestling with him as he's not walking properly but basically throwing his full weight towards the open space. Nothing distracts him when he's like this (no food/treats) for long though he will sit (though whines loudly) but the minute he's out of the sit, he goes straight back to throwing himself towards the space.

Has anyone got any tips? I think it's the behaviourist next from here!

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uppidydoodah · 19/12/2021 18:46

Our spaniel is exactly the same.
As soon as she sees an open field she behaves like an absolute twat. She whines, spins, goes onto back legs.
I think it's because she associates open fields with being allowed off lead and the excitement gets too much for her.
Not got any advice. We probably do totally the wrong thing, drive to local field and just open the boot and let her free as we can't bare walking her on lead there!

DesperateDogDog · 19/12/2021 18:53

You know in a way that makes me feel a bit relieved. Yes that is exactly what he does - spins and acts like a complete loon! It is definitely over excitement that he can't control. He gets completely besides himself and even worse if he happens to spot a squirrel!

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EinsteinaGogo · 19/12/2021 19:08

Oh OP, sometimes they are a law unto themselves!!

Does he have a harness rather than a collar?It won't break the urge for him to get to the space but can make him easier to hold on to.

EinsteinaGogo · 19/12/2021 19:10

Your dog sounds gorgeous, by the way!

Thatldo · 19/12/2021 19:10

You mention he has a good recall,but in an open field,he doesnt come back.confused.I think, if you let a dog off lead in an open field and the dog is normally on a lead,it is not surprising he goes loopy.you need to put some structure with his freedom.have him on a long training lead when you go to open spaces and teach him some fun activity.does he like ball fetching, tugging etc?it sounds like your dog has learned well how to behave on a lead.Letting a dog run free also needs training in order to be safe for him and other dogs.

icedcoffees · 19/12/2021 19:18

It's just excitement - I walk SO many spaniels like this, but they all have bulletproof recall so I just drive them to open spaces and let them run free, lol.

If he has good recall I would save the lead walking for elsewhere and just drive him straight to the field.

DesperateDogDog · 19/12/2021 19:20

Thanks @EinsteinaGogo yes he's got a harness - we had to stop using the collar because of this as he would have hurt his neck!

@Thatldo he has great recall in open spaces - his issue is when he's on lead and can see an open space, he becomes impossible on the lead - spinning, pulling, whining, really just desperate to get off the lead and run towards the open space.

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DesperateDogDog · 19/12/2021 19:23

Thanks @icedcoffees ! Yes that's what his walker does too! Maybe you are his walker Grin

Ok I am feeling more reassured that this is not completely unusual now thank you all! I will just manage it differently!

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icedcoffees · 19/12/2021 19:26

No 18 month cockers on my books so it's not me Grin

But seriously, I walk a 6yo cocker and he can be just as bonkers as the pups! But he's excellent in the car and his recall is perfect so I just pop him in the car, drive him to the fields or the beach and let him go and be a loon, lol.

His owners say he always comes back tired and happy so I assume I must be doing something right, ha. His sprocker sister on the other hand has no recall whatsoever so I have to manage her on the lead - which is definitely...interesting, lol.

DesperateDogDog · 19/12/2021 19:33

Lol I can imagine!

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Thatldo · 19/12/2021 19:34

Ah,sorry,I misunderstood your question.my one year old collie can also be very impatient and pulls on the lead when approaching "free run" areas.I slow down my walk,if necessary just stand still and try to keep very calm.It might seem not help much now,but all training will help.Dogs will calm down,I am sure even your very very impatient little spaniel will calm down in time.

dustofneptune · 20/12/2021 10:26

More importantly OP - how TF have you trained a Cocker to walk well on lead? Because my 18-month Cocker still can't get the hang of this :D Share your secrets...

;)

Honestly, as others have said, I think it's just excitement and that association with off-leash freedom! Some of the dogs I walk do the same thing, up on their hind legs trying to get across the road.

If you haven't already, a few things you could try would be -

Impulse control training in general (loads of it). Things like having doggo sit and wait while you throw a ball, treats, etc. then release him. The more impulse control stuff you do regularly, the more they tend to be able to control their impulses in specific situations, if that makes sense. That should also help with the squirrels! :D

There's a great book called "Mission Control" by Jane Arden, if you haven't already read it? It's all about teaching control for high-drive, super crazy energetic dogs (like Cockers!).

Otherwise, you can try distraction with something other than food? My dog doesn't respond to food when he's in overdrive, but he'll pretty much always respond to a squeaky ball in my hand and glue his eyes to me. Could that work?

The other option would be desensitisation. Basically practice walking past open spaces on lead. Start at a distance and reward calm. Then gradually move closer over future sessions until you can walk past open spaces without that level of over-excitement.

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