Vet

[Bee6969]

So I had new puppies. I took them for there first check up and last immunisation. My new vet told me that the vaccine that the breeder use wasn’t good enough and I should get different one ( and pay for it more) then he told me that the warming medication that my breeder use wasn’t sufficient enough and I should get different one from them and pay for it more. I told him the puppy had bad tummy since taking the warming medication and I don’t won’t to overdose he said don’t worry give it to him tomorrow. So I did. My dog got very sick. Couldn’t hold eny food. Took him back to the vet they put him on antibiotics and asked for poo samples from next three days. I got there samples they call me next week left the message that he got Gardia and needs more antibiotics. So far I got this puppy sheeting everywhere for two weeks loosing a lot of weighti call my friend in different country and ask her for advice. She said go to pets at home and get this medicine treat all your dog at once ( I go three) disinfect all the floor get the carpet cleaned, fill up the flour beds so there is not standing water watch up for kids ( I got two ) ithey can easily catch it. I did all of that and at the same time I wax thinking why my vet didn’t give me the same advice why did I spend 300 £ when I could just go and get 20 £ worth of medication over the counter and save myself lots of cleaning. And guess what ? Just as I was thinking that my vet call me. It was late after 6 pm he ask how is the pup I said not good he said got to pets at home and get this medication 😳

Sounds like the respectable family didn't know what they were doing.

The very reason why you shouldn't buy from a backyard breeder.

@isadoradancing123

Genuine question , why should one not buy two puppies from same litter?

Littermate syndrome needs a lot of work from the new owner, the pups have to be kept apart much of the time, handled and trained separately. Its more than twice the work of training one puppy. If you dont get it right, they grow into dogs that are highly dependant on each other, and can exhibit extremely anxious or even aggressive behaviour when separated.

www.greatpetcare.com/training/littermate-syndrome-everything-you-need-to-know/

They weren’t a nice family.

@Floralnomad

YABVU and frankly a bit stupid if you think Giardia can be cured by a £20 product from PAH. It sounds like you’ve bought sickly pups from a shit breeder so the best thing would be to invest in some good insurance in case of ongoing issues .

With all due respect, I had a kitten who had Giardia and the vet prescribed a 5 day course of Pancur 10% liquid.

Which you can purchase for £22 from PAH?

[quote HellsAngel81]@Chely

"You're not wrong about the vets though, it does feel like they are trying to squeeze you for as much as possible. Our's has allergies because she got parvo as a pup and it costs loads every flare up, just walking through the door costs us £30."

You pay £30 (which is fairly cheap these days) for a qualified professionals knowledge and advice.

I'm getting seriously fed up of people whinging about the price of vet care! People don't whinge about the price of beauty and haircare, or the price of car maintenance - yet these are luxuries, just as pet ownership is!

The veterinary industry has been through a horrendous 2 years (just as many other professions have), but we have seen more verbal abuse and less patience from owners. Other professions have been hailed as heroes!!!

The average vet wage is £35 -£45k per year, whilst the average registered vet nurse wage is £20 - £25k per year. So we aren't in this career for the money, or to wring clients dry! [/quote]
Totally agree!
I think i can speak for all in our profession when i say how sick to death we are knowing the obscene prices people have paid for pups since march 2020 who then complain about the amounts they have to pay to us to put things right when they have bought yet another poor specimen.
Have these people any idea how much it costs to keep a veterinary practice functioning ?
Of course most clients are lovely , understanding ,grateful people who we will go beyond the call of duty for , because that is the way our profession works.

@ChickyNuggies fair enough , but the vet in question deemed this puppy sick enough to need antibiotics as well which the OP could not get OTC at PAH .

[quote madisonbridges]@VetOnCall

Are some vaccines not as good as others?
Would the usual worming treatment you get from the vets kill giardia?

Thanks. Always good to get info from an expert. :-)[/quote]
As long as it's an authorised brand, the vaccines will all do the same job as long as they're administered correctly (at the correct intervals etc.). Nobivac has been the one I've used most so I guess I have developed a 'preference' for it over the years, but it's no more or less effective than Vanguard or Eurican etc.

Panacur (fenbendazole) can be used to treat giardia, but depending on the specific case, metronidazole may be prescribed instead or as well as. Multiple courses of treatment are often required for giardia, it's common to require more than one course of treatment to clear it up fully. It doesn't mean the treatment is wrong, it can just be a difficult illness to resolve, some strains are very resistant to treatment and it's also fairly common for animals to be reinfected in their living environment (which makes it seem like the treatment isn't working). Other animals in the household can also be carrying giardia but be asymptomatic.

We are moving this to the correct topic area now.

Hmmm I'd worry about the breeder.

Also, on vaccines, some vets give lepto 2 (because that covers the risk in their area), but if you then bring puppies to an area with different prevalence you might need lepto 4 (which means starting that course from scratch)

My DPup needed that, but because lepto 4 recommended not totally dominant we waited until annual boosters and did two shits rather than one then

Humans get giardia too, and it's areal bugger to shift and can require courses off more than one drug

My family always have two dogs and never have any problems. Stop calling them greedy breeders because they’re not. Some of you are such a hater’s. It’s not about money for me. It’s about that the poor dog was sick for two weeks when it could have been fix in three days. And no they not one of this fashionable bread

They will almost certainly have come with the giardia.

Panacur at the right dose treats it but you need to continue with the hygiene as they can reinfect themselves or each other. The vet wouldn’t be able to discern between serious viral infection, bacterial infection such as campylobacter and parasitic infections such as giardia without running lab tests which can take a few days to come back. The antibiotic cover would be a precaution while waiting for results. Puppies can decline very quickly.

Did they give you any free insurance when you picked them up?

@Bee6969

My family always have two dogs and never have any problems. Stop calling them greedy breeders because they’re not. Some of you are such a hater’s. It’s not about money for me. It’s about that the poor dog was sick for two weeks when it could have been fix in three days. And no they not one of this fashionable bread

Those dogs were sick because the breeder sold them to you sick. Look at the obvious before screeching "haters" at everyone who points it out.

@Pawprintpaper

They will almost certainly have come with the giardia.

Panacur at the right dose treats it but you need to continue with the hygiene as they can reinfect themselves or each other. The vet wouldn’t be able to discern between serious viral infection, bacterial infection such as campylobacter and parasitic infections such as giardia without running lab tests which can take a few days to come back. The antibiotic cover would be a precaution while waiting for results. Puppies can decline very quickly.

Did they give you any free insurance when you picked them up?

^ this

Guardian could only be confirmed by running the tests.

If the vet just guessed and gave the wrong treatment, the puppy could end up far sicker from an untreated illness.

Lab tests are expensive unfortunately.

Quite a long watch but worth it. I work (non clinical) at a vets and I and my lovely, dedicated colleagues are sick to the back teeth of people who buy pets then complain about the cost of caring for them. Accused of inflating prices (we don't), inflicting unnecessary tests (we don't). Luckily the majority of our clients are wonderful but boy it's draining and depressing the attitude some people have towards us. We're supposed to be on the same team working for the best outcome for your pet.

@Bee6969 it’s not a problem having multiple dogs but littermate syndrome is a real issue where people have 2 or more puppies of a similar age at the same time . For that reason decent breeders would not sell 2 puppies from a litter to the same person .

My family always have two dogs and never have any problems

Two dogs? Or littermates?

I know lots of people who have two (or more) dogs, but can only think of one with littermates, and it was very demanding and very time-consuming. Worth it. But not for the faint-hearted.

Why are you listening to a random person in another country rather than your qualified vet who is the specialist in whatever affects dogs locally. Your vet is right. The stuff you buy at pets at home isn't suitable for an infected puppy

So all of you haters up there accusing me of buying puppies from dodgy breeder. We just came back from our new Vet who confirmed that the over the counter medication would have been sufficient enough and fix the dog in three days. He also informed me that because puppies was treated with so much warming tablets to close to each other plus antibiotics it got some intestinal damage and it will take time for him to heal. He also assured me that the littermates syndrome it’s not something I should be worried about it’s not proven to affect all dogs and my two have a lovely nature and are absolutely fine. The vet was sorry for me and the dogs and the fact that we were given the wrong advice to start

You were sold sick puppies.

Op - If anyone is to blame its the breeder's and yourself.

1. You bought 2 pups from the same litter. This is NEVER recommended and any breeder worth their salt would not have sold you both pups.
2. You bought sick pups, again bad breeder and poor research.
3. The pups should have come with insurance and papers. Again, poor breeding and research.

The £300 you paid the Vet was not just for medication. They did tests x 3 for each dog, consultation fee by a professional and medication. At £150 a dog, that is actually reasonable.

Using "haters" is just an online tantrum. You were sold sick puppies, the breeders aren't nice, vets aren't behaviour specialists, £300 is nothing for 2 sick puppies.

I had two littermates (when I was a teenager and I knew nothing) it did not end well (both PTS) it's really not a good idea. And I say this as an ex vet nurse who will always stick up for vets but they are not behaviourists, please get proper advice

So all of you haters up there accusing me of buying puppies from dodgy breeder. We just came back from our new Vet who confirmed that the over the counter medication would have been sufficient enough and fix the dog in three days.

How can he possibly know that?

This thread is ridiculous.