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Some newbie dog owner questions...

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Brindille · 30/11/2021 14:47

Firstly, I should say we don't have a dog yet!

But we are considering it. We have always had cats and since our last dear cat died, I have been wondering if now would be the right time to introduce a dog to our family.

We are considering getting a Vizsla. DD is 5 and very calm and respectful with animals, although she can be a bit nervous of them as well. We would obviously not leave her and the dog alone together. At some point we would also like to get more cats.

DH is very sporty and does triathlon training so would generally take the dog out for a long run at some point each day.

We also have a recommendation from a neighbour with a dog for a good dog walking service which we could use as a back up if we weren't able to provide the exercise on a given day.

There is generally someone at home. DH and I both wfh most of the time now, and this is unlikely to change. We could put the dog into day care on weekdays if we were both going to be out all day.

My questions are:

  1. can you ever leave a dog alone at home? For example, if we wanted to do a non dog friendly day out at the weekend (when the dog daycare is closed), could we leave the dog alone at home or is this a complete no-no?

  2. we like to travel quite a lot (pandemics permitting!). Obviously, if we could take the dog, we would, but what do you do with the dog when you are away for long periods? Are boarding kennels ok? (Our cats have always gone to catteries.)

Sorry if these are really silly questions! I don't want to get a dog and then not provide it with the care it needs. Thanks in advance if you can give me any help!

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tabulahrasa · 30/11/2021 15:24

“1) can you ever leave a dog alone at home? For example, if we wanted to do a non dog friendly day out at the weekend (when the dog daycare is closed), could we leave the dog alone at home or is this a complete no-no?”

4 hours is the maximum you should plan on leaving a dog... with a vizsla, your chances are fairly slim for even that long.

“2) we like to travel quite a lot (pandemics permitting!). Obviously, if we could take the dog, we would, but what do you do with the dog when you are away for long periods? Are boarding kennels ok? (Our cats have always gone to catteries.)”

You get kennels, home boarders and house sitters...

Btw, it’s pretty rare that a dog raised in a house without cats will actually be capable of living with them as adults.

Also... why a vizsla? They’re a very full on choice fit a first time owner tbh.

Brownlongearedbat · 30/11/2021 17:04

The dog won't be able to run with your H until it is mature bodywise. Also, I know many people run with their dogs, but it doesn't suit all. I have seen quite a few unhappy dogs who look over heated and tired, fastened to their sprinting owners so they don't have an opportunity to rest/sniff/pee.
Vizlas are lovely dogs, but if your daughter is a bit nervous I think you will find a puppy of this breed very full on, and, of course, all puppies bite and chew, without exception. The bigger and stronger the puppy the more likely they are to cause damage or hurt, albeit unintentionally.

Justcannotbearsed · 30/11/2021 17:15

Our neighbour had a vizla. Beautiful but really bad separation anxiety and so high energy. She was quite overwhelmed by it - first time dog owner though her husband had had vizlas before.

I'd think about a lab or retriever instead. Good solid family dogs.

Any larger dog you can't take them out for really long walks/runs till they are about 18 months to 2 years as it can affect their joints.

All dogs can get used to being at home alone - but not more than 4 hours or so unless someone comes to let them out.

When puppies you'll be hard pushed to leave them for very long at all due to toilet training etc. We weren't leaving ours for any length of time till 6 months old and then felt OK for going out longer than just popping to the shops. But they do get used to you going out and coming back.

Puppies do mouth and bite but there's tactics and training you can use to minimise this - read a puppy guide like teh Happy Puppy Guide and join the FB group Dog Training Advice adn Support.

We were first time puppy owners 2 years ago and for the first few months I'd have given her back without a backwards glance. We now have a lovely part of the family who we wouldn't be without.

It's very different from cat ownership!

Justcannotbearsed · 30/11/2021 17:17

RE boarding kennels - ours wouldn't be happy at all with boarding - we use family. We'd probably put in homestay if we had no other option.

But other dogs are really happy in kennels/homestay - I think again getting them used to it early is the key....

wetotter · 30/11/2021 17:38

I wouid get the cats first, then the puppy. Puppies that come in to a cat household learn their place from the off. Much greater likelihood of difficulty and fur flying when kettens come in to a dog's household , though I'm sure there will be success stories that way round.

You shouldn't run with dogs until they are fully adult. Rule of thumb is a year, earlier with small tough breeds, perhaps later with leggy breeds prone to orthopaedic issues, and you need to build up gently. But once habituated, a dog that likes it can go for hours!

Check if the planned daycare does ad hoc days or if they want regular bookings. Ones which are properly licensed and insured may have maximum ratios (some councils have by-laws restricting numbers per walker in parks) and as walkers are having a buoyant time off it, opportunities for ad hoc might be limited

Home boarding needs to be booked in advance - you might not be able to have spur of the moment plans. Ditto kennels - you'd need to have a look round to see if you are happy with the set up.

Adult dogs can be left for up to about 4 hours, again you'd need to work up to it.

You might find it worthwhile to read a puppy manual (try 'Easy Peasey Puppy Squeezy' - dreadful name, good book) which will tell you about things like how to train a dog to be left, plus all the other training you will need to do. Also lurk of puppy survival threads in this topic.

I don't know much about vizlas - one friend had a much beloved one who I knew only as an old lady. Another I see out walking is affectionately nicknamed 'the arsehole' by his owner

Thatldo · 30/11/2021 17:49
  1. An adult dog should not be alone for longer then 4 hours .Of course there can be emergencies where the time left alone will be longer,but this should be exceptions,rather then the norm.
  2. my first thought,when you mention you go a lot on holiday is, DONT get a dog.Unless you are very happy as the whole family to have your 4legger with you on holiday.There are plenty of places where you can bring a dog and there a books that recommend dog friendly beaches etc. I personally would never put my dogs into Kennels.I carefully choose a home boarding place.there are quite a lot of home boarding places advertised, a little caution is probably a good idea.There are people who just want to make money,but are not actually interested in dogs that much.mouth to mouth recommendations are always best. Lastly,I want to mention,that having a dog living with you is hugely enjoyable(and I think for kids a very good way to teach what responsibility means in life),but it is also a bind and you would have to be prepared and willing to embrace the unexpected.
Giggorata · 30/11/2021 17:54

I wouldn't recommend a Vizsla for a first time dog owner, as they are very high energy “Velcro” dogs that need a lot of input and exercise to stop them becoming bored, when they can get a bit self willed and chewy.
They are beautiful and I love them, btw. My sister had one.

Cyberworrier · 30/11/2021 18:16

I agree with PP you should get the new cats first. I think you'd maybe be safe getting kittens second if you got a lab and let it grow up/calm down first (eg 3-4 years). That's purely based on my parents getting kittens when already having very chilled, softie, non hunt-y labradors. But I have to say I wouldn't trust any of the dogs I see chasing squirrels in the park with little kittens.

icedcoffees · 30/11/2021 18:17

We are considering getting a Vizsla. DD is 5 and very calm and respectful with animals, although she can be a bit nervous of them as well. We would obviously not leave her and the dog alone together. At some point we would also like to get more cats.

What appeals to you about Vizslas? They are very high energy dogs who are bred to work - it's only very recently that they've started to become pets. Personally I really would not recommend one for a first time owner - they are known as velcro dogs for a reason and require a lot of persistence and consistency, as well as good amounts of exercise and mental stimulation.

DH is very sporty and does triathlon training so would generally take the dog out for a long run at some point each day.

Running a dog everyday isn't good for the joints, nor their overall wellbeing imo. Exercise for dogs is just as much about mental simulation (sniffing) as it is about actual moving about. Yes, you could eventually build up to running an adult dog a couple of times a week, but doing it daily should never be the goal. You'll do more damage long-term.

We also have a recommendation from a neighbour with a dog for a good dog walking service which we could use as a back up if we weren't able to provide the exercise on a given day.

Dog walkers get booked up well in advance - I am one. I'm currently not taking on any new clients and the same goes for everyone else in our area. I also don't like having too many ad-hoc clients as it means rejigging my entire schedule to fit them in. I do have a few shift workers on my books and they all book me in 3-4 weeks in advance (just to give you an idea of how full my books are).

There is generally someone at home. DH and I both wfh most of the time now, and this is unlikely to change. We could put the dog into day care on weekdays if we were both going to be out all day.

How will you care for a puppy while you're working full time? Daycare is great but like the dog walker, daycare days will need to be booked well in advance - you can't just ring up the night before. Daycares have strict staff/dog ratios to maintain for insurance purposes, and they also need to make sure all the dogs in their care will get on well.

1) can you ever leave a dog alone at home? For example, if we wanted to do a non dog friendly day out at the weekend (when the dog daycare is closed), could we leave the dog alone at home or is this a complete no-no?

You shouldn't leave a dog all day long, no. The recommended maximum amount of time to leave an adult dog is four hours per day in total. If you want a non-dog friendly day out you'll need to pay for care - kennels, daycare, a dog sitter, or asking friends or family to visit. Dogs are very, very tying pets.

2) we like to travel quite a lot (pandemics permitting!). Obviously, if we could take the dog, we would, but what do you do with the dog when you are away for long periods? Are boarding kennels ok? (Our cats have always gone to catteries.)

Kennels or home boarding, but you'll need to book them well in advance, just as you would catteries. Home boarders must have a license from the local council.

Roselilly36 · 30/11/2021 18:22

Not the best choice of breed, considering you have a very young child, they are very high energy, I knew someone that had a Vizsla, poor thing was sent to a doggy crèche everyday. Think carefully, if you are ready for a dog, at this stage in your lives.

Brindille · 01/12/2021 11:26

Thanks everyone for all of your comments and advice. We have a lot to think about.

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