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Beagle v cocker spaniel

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Flowers2020bloom · 24/11/2021 18:04

Looking at these two breeds for our first family dog - have obviously read up on both and either seem like a good fit but would be grateful for any first hand thoughts or experiences

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Darkpheonix · 24/11/2021 18:07

What about them feels like good fit? What appeals?

Josette77 · 24/11/2021 18:08

I love my beagle!! Happy, sweet, but also trouble. They will eat everything and anything.
I'm obsessed with my little guy.

Orangesarenottheonlyfruit · 24/11/2021 18:10

Are you very active? Beagles need loads of exercise and masses of training. Recall can be bad.
Cockers are great fun but can be obstinate and tricky to train.
Neither strike me as beginner dogs.

icedcoffees · 24/11/2021 18:10

I have a beagle and I wouldn't recommend them for first time owners (especially if you have DC) - they are hard work, though incredibly rewarding.

They are independent, intelligent, stubborn and very, very noisy. They are also prone to separation anxiety and do not like being left. On top of that, they have exceptionally high prey-drives and if they're off the lead and they catch a scent, you are stuffed. Yes, they have fantastic personalities and are great with children but they are working dogs and they need a lot more than just a walk. They need you to channel their instinct to hunt so that they are worn out both mentally and physically.

I love my beagle to the moon and back but he has definitely been hard work. I wouldn't want to juggle the needs of a beagle with two full time workers and children - it would be a big challenge. Many beagles have been banned from daycare and walkers as they have no recall and are not the same to train as, say, labs or spaniels - you need to know the breed to be able to care for them, imo.

I'm also a dog walker and would say I have never ever met a calm cocker spaniel under the age of about 10. Like beagles, they are working dogs and need a job. They are also prone to separation anxiety and need a good amount of physical and mental stimulation each day.

What is it that draws you to the two breeds in particular?

Flowers2020bloom · 24/11/2021 18:12

We have a relatively active lifestyle so feel they would both be a good fit. We have young children so again have read that they would be good with them and we're able to be at home a lot so we aren't worried about having to leave them - I understand both are sociable. I quite like the idea of them being intelligent though I'm not really sure why. Size wise we want a medium dog (I would go smaller and dh would go bigger by choice so that's a compromise) and we don't want anything really hairy but it doesn't matter if there is some malting / grooming.

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anon51 · 24/11/2021 18:12

My cocker spaniel is just lovely! She's just turned 12 months. Amazing with our children, and incredibly loyal, she just follows me around everywhere. She was very easy to house train, and she can be left on her own (in the kitchen with a baby gate) for up to 3 hours. We could imagine life without her now.

anon51 · 24/11/2021 18:13

I should of said my cocker spaniel is a show cocker so isn't as active as a working cocker!

icedcoffees · 24/11/2021 18:15

I quite like the idea of them being intelligent though I'm not really sure why.

As someone mentioned on another thread, intelligence in dogs is hugely overrated. You want a dog that's biddable, not a dog that's smart.

If you have an intelligent dog and don't train them properly, they will run rings around you and you will struggle, whereas a biddable dog will learn what you want them to do and that's it.

How old are your children? Both beagles and cockers are incredibly mouthy as puppies, and very energetic too. Both could easily knock over a small child out of sheer excitement. I would also say beagles are incredibly strong, stocky little things for their size.

If you have young children and have never owned a dog before, then I would say neither of these breeds are for you. They are working dogs and need owners who know what they're doing.

Flowers2020bloom · 24/11/2021 18:16

Thanks for the comments so far - I'm pretty confident my dh will take the training very seriously so the poor pouch will be on a tight leash in that respect. I wouldn't be as good though so that's a consideration - I can already foresee it being perfect for him and playing up for me whichever it is!

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Flowers2020bloom · 24/11/2021 18:17

The dcs are 8 and 6 so not really little - they are both super keen and love the cocker spaniel we have in our wider family to bits.

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Ihaventgottimeforthis · 24/11/2021 18:18

Do you want a dog that is safe to be let off-lead?
If yes, on balance of probabilities, I would go for the cocker spaniel.

Both breeds can be very vocal.

Spaniels can be very intense and high energy. Suits some people.

sjxoxo · 24/11/2021 18:18

Cocker. 1000%. The two are very different!!!

Iheartmysmart · 24/11/2021 18:18

I’ve got experience of both. Mum had a beagle and I’ve got a show cocker spaniel.

Personally I don’t think either are starter dogs. My spaniel is still bonkers despite being 10, he follows me everywhere, can be a bit unpredictable with resource guarding still and I wouldn’t trust him around younger children. He also costs a fortune in grooming every 6 weeks or so.

The beagle was a lovely dog but no recall, an absolute nightmare to tire out, needed constant jobs to do or he got bored and the beagle howl is something to behold!

Both breeds have a high prey prey drives and recall is a bit hit and miss.

Flowers2020bloom · 24/11/2021 18:19

I guess I would go for a cocker spaniel automatically because although we haven't owned one ourselves we do have some experience of them but feel like we should consider all breeds properly in case there is a better fit though imagine much is down to the dogs individual personality too

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Flowers2020bloom · 24/11/2021 18:21

For those saying neither is good as a first dog, is there any particular breeds you would recommend?

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icedcoffees · 24/11/2021 18:21

Another thing to remember is that beagles are not designed to work alongside humans. They are designed to, essentially, fuck off on their own and hunt hares, deer and foxes.

When you ask a beagle to do something, you can see them weighing up in their minds whether it's worth it or not, lol. So, you need lots of bribery treats, especially in the early months.

I know all my posts sound very negative about the breed but so many adolescent beagles end up in rescues because their owners have bitten off more than they can chew. You have to really be on top of their barking (baying), mouthing, nipping, recall and jumping or you could end up with a dog who doesn't listen, barks constantly and is a real handful.

I'm really passionate about beagles as a breed and I wish more people would do their research rather than seeing a cute hound who's good with kids. Yes, they are good with children but only if you give them all the exercise and mental stimulation they need as well.

They are also prone to resource guarding which is another big consideration if you have young DC.

icedcoffees · 24/11/2021 18:22

@Flowers2020bloom

For those saying neither is good as a first dog, is there any particular breeds you would recommend?
Labrador. Golden retriever.

There's a reason those breeds are so popular. They are smart (but not too smart), very biddable and bred to work alongside humans - it's in their DNA.

Flowers2020bloom · 24/11/2021 18:27

I'm a bit nervous of the size of labradors and golden retrievers but maybe I need to worry less about that if their nature is right.

Thanks all for your comments - they are really helpful! More discussions with dh needed I think!

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icedcoffees · 24/11/2021 18:31

If you want a smaller breed, what about something like a miniature poodle or a whippet?

Girliefriendlikespuppies · 24/11/2021 18:44

Miniature schnauzer?

Beagles and spaniels are very full on dog's, beagles in particular are v scent driven so difficult to ever get a decent recall.

If you wanted smaller terriers are good family dogs IMO. They need plenty of exercise, are very people focused, easy to train etc. We have a terrier mix and for a first dog he's been brilliant.

Subbaxeo · 24/11/2021 18:50

How about a Bedlington Terrier? They do have a terrier character but a bit more biddable. Not as shouty as a beagle and calmer in the house than a cocker spaniel. Beautiful curly coat. Lots of energy outside, though-needs thorough recall training and lots of socialising around dogs and children when young.

GeorgiaGirl52 · 24/11/2021 18:55

For a first dog
What about a Cavalier King Charles? Cocker looks and calmer and more obedient.
Smooth coated collie is also a good one and you don't have the grooming job you would have with a rough coated one.

mrsnw · 24/11/2021 19:06

We have a miniature schnauzer. It is our first dig and she is wonderful. Content with a short walk or can cope with a long walk. Very easy to train and friendly. My friend has a beagle puppy that has been somewhat a challenge x

muddyford · 24/11/2021 19:38

I wouldn't recommend either as a first dog. Springers are calmer than cockers and easy to train. They aren't as stubborn and don't need constant refresher courses.

Darkpheonix · 24/11/2021 19:40

Spaniels are great. I have had them my whole life. Mainly cockers.

I would consider a few things. They are, generally, good with kids. But unless you get the right balance of physical and mental exercise (just obedience training is not enough) they, generally, form bad habits. Such as resources guarding. They often pick a person, usually who is around most and feeds and Interacts with them most and can resource guard them. They can result in being aggressive to kids, if they decide you or dh are their person. They are velcro dogs.

They do need exercise. But it's a myth that they need hours and hours of physical exercise. You can walk one for 4 hours a day, but if you aren't working their brains you just get a fit dog who is bored and naughty at home. Too much brain exercise and they get overtired and naughty. It's a fine line.

Also, they are known as cockerdiles. Generally, their puppy biting is quite full on. Consistency and patience is required and get take weeks/months to resolve. That's often a problem in houses with kids.

Show types are, generally, more chilled. But it's certainly not a given. They are a bit fluffier. But both need regular grooming. Both can sued loads or some or none. It's hard to call.

Also size. As cocker and springers were originally one breed and lines were often crossed you rarely purely one or the other, you could get a dog whose genes throwback and it grows to the size of a springer. They vary massively.

On the flip side. I adore them. Hard work but so worth it. I absolutely love then. Despite what I have written here. They are a big commitment but worth or of you are able to meet their needs

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