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Help with off lead etiquette

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fyodor11 · 12/10/2021 14:06

We have rehomed a dog, she is 14 month old German Shepherd cross (possibly with Staffy), medium sized. She is lovely and very soppy, good as gold at home and with the children. I am home in the week and walk her on lead with a couple of times a week visiting an enclosed dog play paddock for socialisation. She is not aggressive but likes boisterous play and this seems to have been good at calming her a bit, when we first got her she tried to approach and play with every dog we met. My husband takes her out more at the weekend and today we went together, he let her off lead in an appropriate section of the trust but her recall is not bomb proof when other dogs are around. She approached some other dogs of which 3 were off lead and one on. Two had a little sniff with her and one was barking but told by its owner to lay down and did so. The on lead dog was turned away and shielded by the owner. My dog did not return immediately to us when called, she would come near then skedaddle again and returned to the group of dogs. She wasn’t remotely aggressive but bouncy and obviously not entirely under our control. Nothing was said but I felt we were entirely in the wrong, do I insist she is kept on lead at all times until she becomes more disinterested in other dogs and her recall is solid? I have received lots of conflicting advice from other owners and we are just a few weeks in. She is a lovely dog but I am getting quite anxious, I don’t know how she would react if another dog firmly warned her off. Thank you

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gogohm · 13/10/2021 12:59

If your dog is bouncy then it will annoy very well behaved older dogs and those only interested in balls. You need to get that recall far better, by that age it should be near perfect. When off lead ideally you should recall if the other dog isn't showing any interest because its simply unfair on that other dog. Mine doesn't play with other dogs only balls and really doesn't appreciate being disrupted in his "work" he will ignore your dog at first but if continued to be pestered he would warn off (for some pups this is what they need)

Gribbie · 13/10/2021 13:21

My loon running and squeaking days are, thankfully, not needed for the current dog anymore Grin

Branleuse · 13/10/2021 13:29

If your dog has poor recall then you are best keeping her on the lead unless theres space she can run without harrassing other dogs.
Dogs doing boisterous play together when they dont know each other is asking for trouble. Dogs playing like that is them sizing each other up. Its not necessary and it can very easily turn dangerous.
If a dog is on a lead because its reactive and your dog gets in its face, thats not ok.

Tealandabney · 13/10/2021 13:45

The frustrating thing is that owners of these boisterous friendly dogs seem convinced they are in the right and they have a wel socialised dog. They seem to look down on anyone who just wants to mind their own business, it’s very frustrating!

icedcoffees · 13/10/2021 14:29

Another thing that's been mentioned is letting other dogs' tell yours off - please don't let it get to this point as it's not fair on the dog doing the telling off.

The situation shouldn't escalate to the point that the other dog is having to defend itself by growling, snapping (or worse) as your dog isn't under control. It's your job to protect your dog - if that means it has to stay on a lead or long-line, then so be it.

I know lots of owners have this idyllic view of off-lead romps through the countryside but many dogs don't have the recall and social skills to be trusted to run free like that. My own dog (beagle) has iffy recall at this time of year so unless he's on the beach, he's on a lead to stop him running off after rabbits, deer and foxes. Is it a pain? Absolutely, but I'd much rather he was safe on a lead than off-lead and off causing trouble.

Flowersinglass · 13/10/2021 14:37

For those of you who have cracked recall can I ask how long it took? We have had ours since we got her aged 15months and she is now 3 so we didn’t get the advantage of them being a puppy and following etc. She is 100% reliable on the long line no matter what and comes back every time but, and I know it sounds silly, she is a cross of two very intelligent breeds and it’s as though she knows she can’t go off on a frolic so just doesn’t attempt it. Because she is 100% we let her off and although she doesn’t completely revert and forget all training certain distractions are impossible (usually other super playful dogs - I swear they clock each other at a distance). I’ve ordered the Total recall book recommended today and hoping there will be something in there to help bridge the gap. We put her back on when she doesn’t listen but I don’t know if they can make the connection between not listening and being back on lead.

icedcoffees · 13/10/2021 14:41

For those of you who have cracked recall can I ask how long it took?

We got it to around 95% in summer and winter when he was about three, I would say.

But he's a scent hound and at this time of year (and spring) it goes out of the window, lol. He will stick his nose to the ground, switch his ears off and ignore everything - whistles, high value treats, calling his name, high pitched noises - everything. He just puts his nose down and goes. So this time of year, he's on his lead pretty much constantly unless he's at the beach.

Some dogs will never nail recall - I know MN can make you feel as though you're an awful owner if your dog doesn't come back 150% of the time, but in reality most dogs I see while out have less than perfect recall, lol. I see a LOT of dogs on long lines, flexi leads or just leads in general because they don't always come back. It's fine :)

PurpleMustang · 13/10/2021 14:42

What a lot of people don't seem to grasp is that while the dog on lead is being approached by an off lead dog, the one on lead has literally no where to go. It can't run away so that only leaves to attack. Which is not fair on the dog as they get a bad reputation for a situation it didn't want and couldn't leave. I am sick of people letting their dog bound over to mine shouting 'its ok, they are friendly' I just answer 'but mine might not be' and they look surprised like they haven't considered my dog in the situation

Tealandabney · 13/10/2021 14:45

Has anyone tried saying they have contagious illness - conjunctivitis for instance. Does this get rid of people quicker?

icedcoffees · 13/10/2021 14:46

@PurpleMustang

What a lot of people don't seem to grasp is that while the dog on lead is being approached by an off lead dog, the one on lead has literally no where to go. It can't run away so that only leaves to attack. Which is not fair on the dog as they get a bad reputation for a situation it didn't want and couldn't leave. I am sick of people letting their dog bound over to mine shouting 'its ok, they are friendly' I just answer 'but mine might not be' and they look surprised like they haven't considered my dog in the situation
Yep. It's so frustrating.

I had that this morning - I had two on-lead dogs and a man with two spaniel mixes let his dogs bound over to them - my beagle barked and reacted (he's lead reactive but perfect off-lead - however, he can't go off-lead at the moment due to all the smells Grin) and the man looked really shocked that he wasn't happy to be bounded up to and cornered by two dogs sniffing his bum, lol.

sparkle12345 · 13/10/2021 14:52

Please don't let your off lead dog approach an on lead one. This is an issue for many owners for many reasons as already discussed. Mine is fear reactive with some dogs, if I see a dog I don't know / I think she may have issue with I put on lead. Today alone I had 2 dogs approach off lead with no recall and then twice I had to walk in the opposite direction. It's not fair on my dog as she is stressed and gets a reputation if she snaps, it's not fair on me as walks become unenjoyable / stressful. My other dog reads the situation and has started to put himself between the dogs and barks which shows he is also stressed. The okay they are friendly drives me mad!! The whole issue started from when my dog was constantly hounded and jumped on by another dog that has no recall.

scochran · 13/10/2021 15:04

I did lots of training from day 1. Hiding in house and recalling etc and worked hard but suddenly at around 6 months my puppy became tennis ball obsessed and now I just have to ask her if she wants her ball and she'll be right back. It makes her look well trained but it's just because it's her favourite and she doesn't get it all the time. She'll just zip right back even from seeing a deer or squirrel. It does make life easy.

BringPizza · 13/10/2021 15:06

@Flowersinglass

For those of you who have cracked recall can I ask how long it took? We have had ours since we got her aged 15months and she is now 3 so we didn’t get the advantage of them being a puppy and following etc. She is 100% reliable on the long line no matter what and comes back every time but, and I know it sounds silly, she is a cross of two very intelligent breeds and it’s as though she knows she can’t go off on a frolic so just doesn’t attempt it. Because she is 100% we let her off and although she doesn’t completely revert and forget all training certain distractions are impossible (usually other super playful dogs - I swear they clock each other at a distance). I’ve ordered the Total recall book recommended today and hoping there will be something in there to help bridge the gap. We put her back on when she doesn’t listen but I don’t know if they can make the connection between not listening and being back on lead.
Try distraction while she’s on the long lead. Someone running off with a favourite toy, or ‘borrow’ a friend with a dog?

Mine used to have recall, doesn’t now because he can’t hear so that’s the main reason I keep him on a lead.

BringPizza · 13/10/2021 15:11

@Fyodor22

Many thanks for all your responses, I shall absolutely adhere to on lead training for now until I am more confident in her recall. She has improved already coming to heal on the retractable lead so I can short line her when we approach other dogs. I agree with you all but not to be obtuse or argumentative, is there no mitigation in being in a designated off lead area in a large Trust with both on and off lead walks and areas, is there no expectation that there might be some polite interest if we are in an off lead part? Many thanks
It’s not polite interest if the dog out of control and can’t be called back. FWIW I wouldn’t take my dog to a designated off-lead area as it would scare him to death. However the dogs there should still be under voice control, it’s not a free for all.
Flowersinglass · 13/10/2021 15:11

We may need to borrow a dog 😂 she’s not super into toys or balls unless having one will result in a game of chase. She doesn’t go up to on lead dogs and stays away from ones not interested it’s just other ones that have the same agenda and they seem to be like magnets across the park. I don’t mind her playing but you don’t always know what the other dog is like, if they will become over the top in play etc.

BringPizza · 13/10/2021 15:27

They do get there, they just need time to learn. Try to see training as a game so it doesn’t get you down.

icedcoffees · 13/10/2021 15:27

@Flowersinglass

We may need to borrow a dog 😂 she’s not super into toys or balls unless having one will result in a game of chase. She doesn’t go up to on lead dogs and stays away from ones not interested it’s just other ones that have the same agenda and they seem to be like magnets across the park. I don’t mind her playing but you don’t always know what the other dog is like, if they will become over the top in play etc.
Have you tried the natural rabbit-fur tugs you can get? I find they're quite high value for many dogs.
Flowersinglass · 13/10/2021 17:55

@icedcoffees thanks for the tip, might be worth a try, we haven’t used anything like that yet!

icedcoffees · 13/10/2021 18:54

Mine loves his - I forget where I ordered it from but I'm sure there are loads out there to try :)

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