Cavapoochon - what does yours look like?

[Dingdong99]

We're thinking about getting one of these but I'm just wondering how curly they are

If you have one, are they wavy or curly?

You’d be better getting a curly or wavy breed if it’s important ortent to you.
There are lots of different dogs with wavy or curly coats, not just poodles.

It could be any combination because it’s a mix of breeds and not a single breed.

Legitimate pure breeds tend to have the same characteristics. Mongrels Mixed breeds can be anything.

If you get a mongrel, even if you know the breeding, you can get a dog that looks closer to any of the breeds involved rather than a mix between them. So if you definitely want a dog with a curly coat, get a poodle, don't go for something with Cavalier KCS as you might get something that's practically strait with waves. I met a Cockpoo that looked like a cockerspaniel with more of a wave in it's coat - long ears, the lot. Just because it's called something fancy doesn't mean that it will turn out following a mould of a type.

Here is mine x

Slightly off at a tangent, but it's I think it's appalling that unscrupulous people are allowed to charge a fortune for essentially a made up breed

WTF is a cavapoochon? Just get a curly-haired dog if you want one.

Cavalier King Charles x poodle x bichon frise? That’s quite a combination.
It’s not a breed, so there’s no hard and fast answer. In fairness, you get a certain degree of variation even in purebred dogs, so the chances of someone being able to tell you how curly a mixed breed is are on the floor.
Dominant features could come from any of the three breeds involved in the mix.

I despair I really do.

There is no such thing as a caverpoochon or whatever.

It's a dog with 3 sets of completely different breeds in it's parentage and backyard breeders who keep their dogs in cages and discard the bitches about age 6 after they have had 5 litters will change you £3000 for one.

You will be giving your money to animal abusing criminals.

For what? A overbred dog with very likely health issues that could take after any of the 3 breeds mentioned. Or indeed none of them/one of them only. You can bet you £3000 that there will be other breeds in the mix - they will breed anything that has a bit of one of the breeds you mention in it and whack a label on it.

Backyard breeds can have fancy websites a similar all sorts - they are still abusing animals.

And if you think of the logistics you can hardly blame them. Churn out random puppies - stick a funny name on them and change ££££.

Because people will buy them.

It makes me very sad and sadder that you will complete ignore this post.

I have a cavapoochon. She was adopted through a rescue at 11 weeks old.

I do agree that the vast amount of breeders of these dogs are not breeding well.

However, I really don't get the snobbery of 'its not a cavapoochon its a mixed breed!!!!' They are both. I don't have a problem with dogs being mixed, if the breeder is health testing, keeping them properly, not over breeding the mother etc. And you can find breeders like this. But it's not easy.

I don't agree with the narrative that all breeders of mixed breed dogs are automatically bad just based on that. Plenty of KC and pure bred breeders are horrendous as well. A trick some KC registered breeders do is to not register all litters so they can over breed and get round the rules.

Our cavapoochon lived, briefly, with someone who decided she was to timid for their family and placed for adoption.

She is 17 weeks. Her feet and head is curly. Her body is wavy and really soft, though the roots do look like they are coming through curly. She does need brushing every day, though to avoid matting. She doesn't real moult. But there's no way of guessing what she wi be like when older. There's also the poodle fading gene to consider. The dog you buy may look completely different as an adult.

She is very timid. Hates tall people, isn't keen on anyone walking near her, unless it's the kids. She isn't a fan of walking through a door if someone is in the door way but she is loads better than she was when she came.

Not barky, adores or Working cocker. Generally a great dog and is very healthy. Vet was very happy with her.

Cavaliers have a real issue with heart problems. It's a very big problem, so you do need to be careful. Mix breeding can help genetic diversity. But only when done very carefully. You could end up with a dog that has the health issues of all 3 breeds.

To say ours is a recipe, I think we have been really lucky.

The photo of her sat on the paving is when we first got her. The one in the car is after her first puppy groom. Her hair grew over her eyes so she had that trimmed, her feet and her 'hygiene area' trimmed. And a bath.

She is always just frizzy all over after you brush her. But the curls come back after a couple of hours.

@Shannith

I despair I really do.

There is no such thing as a caverpoochon or whatever.

It's a dog with 3 sets of completely different breeds in it's parentage and backyard breeders who keep their dogs in cages and discard the bitches about age 6 after they have had 5 litters will change you £3000 for one.

You will be giving your money to animal abusing criminals.

For what? A overbred dog with very likely health issues that could take after any of the 3 breeds mentioned. Or indeed none of them/one of them only. You can bet you £3000 that there will be other breeds in the mix - they will breed anything that has a bit of one of the breeds you mention in it and whack a label on it.

Backyard breeds can have fancy websites a similar all sorts - they are still abusing animals.

And if you think of the logistics you can hardly blame them. Churn out random puppies - stick a funny name on them and change ££££.

Because people will buy them.

It makes me very sad and sadder that you will complete ignore this post.

Yep.

However, I really don't get the snobbery of 'its not a cavapoochon its a mixed breed!!*

It's not snobbery it's just a fact.
It's a mongrel not a pedigree/breed.

I have a cavachon... he's generally a scruffy little sod, legs are curly, body is wavy, tail has a life of it's own depending on the humidity levels but he's an adorable bundle of fluff that we got as a rescue rather than setting out to buy a cross breed/ popular/designer dog. The Bichon genes can be a little unpredictable for coats apparently- my groomer is always a bit when she gets asked to take on 'poo' and 'chon' crosses.
We have signed up to a vet plan for regular checks because of the cavalier heart issues, he's only 2 so we don't need to be overly concerned yet but I will be keeping a close eye through the vet as he gets older.

@PeriChristmas

* However, I really don't get the snobbery of 'its not a cavapoochon its a mixed breed!!*

It's not snobbery it's just a fact.
It's a mongrel not a pedigree/breed.

No one suggested it was a pedigree. The name clearly tells you it's mixed.

But I don't agree pedigree/single breed are better dogs. Most dog owners need to be more careful about who they are buying from. Its not a problem unique to mixed breeds.

A mongrel, is a dog of undefinable breed. The breeds here are definable. I don't mind them being called that, but it's not the correct word. But no one is pretending its something it's not.

It’s not snobbery. It’s experience of so many of these mixed dogs being bred badly simply to exploit people who don’t know better and charge them a fortune in the process.
Don’t get me wrong, there are some good breeders out there but they are a tiny minority in a sea of poor breeding practices.

Also, the entire problem the OPs post sums up the biggest problem with these mixes. People are often told that their “whateverpoochon” will look and be a certain way. When the reality is that GCSE science should have taught people that that’s not how genetics work. The rescues I work with are flooded, absolutely flooded, with mixes that didn’t live up to what the owners were promised.

It’s not snobbery. It’s experience of so many of these mixed dogs being bred badly simply to exploit people who don’t know better and charge them a fortune in the process.

But exactly the same can be said of pedigree dogs so I really don't think the issue is whether a dog is pedigree or mixed breed.

Yes and the rescue I work with is flooded with spaniels that can be traced back 5 generations. Hence why I now have 3 of their rescue dogs.

That's my point. It's not a problem, that is exclusive to mixed breeding.

Theres huge problems with breeders in general. Good breeders are very difficult to find, of any type of dog.

But there's special, disdain reserved for the poodle/chon crosses. Even though its no different to problems faced when trying to find a single breed puppy.

And actually, the pp didn't mention aesthetic at all. A curly coat is less likely to moult that a wavy or straighter one.

Although to be honest, most people buying a puppy are at least a bit concerned about how it looks. Yes people look at breed traits. But they also look at what the dog looks like and people compromise on both.

But most people don't pick a dog they really don't like the look of. It's usually a mix of a dog they like the look of AND breed traits.

Though, I would agree, that too many people, go on mainly looks. But it's not exclusive to mixed breed buyers.

What pp said. It's a mongrel so you could get anything. I think mongrels are just grand and the dog world would be better with more of them, but FFS don't pay more than £200 or so for one.

Just to add, I've always had collies. I'm Highlands so they are working dogs, pure bred but not bred for looks. All the litters we've got them from have been a mix of appearances. So within the same litter, from the same parents, some of the pups ended up looking like the father and some like the mother and some a mix of both. And this is from a single pure breed! Throw in a couple of extra breeds and it really is pot luck.

Mine came from rescue as a Cavapoo as she had been handed in as an unsold puppy in an area of the country notorious for puppy farming. She definitely has Bichon fur so we had a DNA test which showed 2 sorts of poodle, Bichon and Cavalier King Charles.

We only wanted to know in case there were health problems further down the line as obviously the parents would have had no genetic testing or health checks, given where she had come from.

Please get a rescue, don’t be part of the problem.

Pure breeds have all sorts of medical issues from inbreeding and overbreeding. Sometimes deformities are actually purposefully bred into them and exaggerated more and more over the generations. They are not superior to mixed breed dogs. I'd rather have a mutt from unidentifiable heritage than an inbred dog from an artificially and severely restricted gene pool. My crossbreeds have always been healthier than my KC registeted dogs.

If it is a mongrel mix of three breeds, then it would depend entirely on which were the two quarters and which was the half.

And which breeders in their right minds would do this anyway? Responsible people with good quality pure-bred animals would be wanting to produce good quality pure-bred puppies, not mongrels.

There's absolutely no way of telling. Even seeing your puppy at 4/6/8 weeks won't give you a clue as many dogs coats' change throughout their teen years until they "settle' as adults.

It also often depends on how you choose to keep them clipped.

But there's special, disdain reserved for the poodle/chon crosses. Even though its no different to problems faced when trying to find a single breed puppy. I would say that the trendy crosses are much likelier to be puppy farmed than the pedigrees, so while the problems are similar, they are more prevalent amongst the mixed breeds. You can also, with a pedigree, check out the breeder through breed clubs and, if a working breed, the working clubs.

It's not the crossing that's the problem, it's how and why it's done.

Why shouldn't people pay more than £200 for a mongrel/mixed breed? Totally off topic sorry but I've never understood this. Are these dogs not worthy of more? I think many people are happy to part with more money to get a wonderful companion, mixed or pure bred.

It’s not that pedigrees are better or that all pedigree breeders are better…

But a pedigree dog will have more reliable traits come through and if you research and look hard enough you will eventually find a good ethical breeder of a pedigree breed.

The best you can hope for with mixes is, a bit of a shot in the dark about traits and maybe you’ll find a not completely horrendous breeder.