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Aged lurcher-dementia? What to do.

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SuperSange · 09/08/2021 08:40

Our lurcher has been behaving quite oddly for about six months now. She's 15, in general good health, but increasingly we're finding her standing staring at nothing, pooing as she's walking along indoors as if she doesn't know she's doing it, and is struggling to squat to wee. She's eating ok, still likes a daily potter up the local farm track, but is starting to drag her back legs as she walks. Shes also struggling to jump up onto the sofa sometimes. She's still very lively when you get the leads, barks at the door, excited at feed time. Her parents both lived to 16/17 (we had both of them) but with those, when the time came it was quite clear cut. I'm conscious that she may be suffering, but wanted more experienced opinions. I just don't want her suffering. She's the first dog I've had from a puppy so I'm aware my judgement may be clouded. Id appreciate any advice, thank you x

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DinosaurDiana · 09/08/2021 08:43

I’d be taking her to the vet to see if there’s anything she can have to reduce her pain and get her more mobile.
She may need her anal glands emptying.
But it does sound like doggy dementia.
Has she got cateracts ?

Sprig1 · 09/08/2021 08:44

The pooing without knowing about it would be enough for me. Better a month too soon than a day too late when it comes to pts. It's hard for you but really kindest for your dog. It's so tricky when it's a gradual decline and not really clear cut (not made any easier, in my experience, by vets who are determined to extend life at all costs).

Suzi888 · 09/08/2021 08:48

You can get medication from the vet for doggy dementia. I’d take the dog to the vet and see what they advise. It may be timeFlowers

SuperSange · 09/08/2021 09:21

She doesn't have cateracts, no. Her eyes are clear-they make them cloudy, is that right? I think I'll speak to the vet today, if the right one is in. Some of them are the 'keep alive at all costs' sort and I don't want that for her.
She chased a rabbit last week ( for ten yards) then stopped and looked utterly bewildered. My husband used to work her on a local farm when she was younger. Daffodil

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DinosaurDiana · 09/08/2021 09:23

Yes, cloudy eyes for cateracts.
If she’s still eating/drinking and enjoying walks I’d keep her going for now, with it under constant review.

GingerFigs · 09/08/2021 09:39

Also sounds like she may have some arthritis so medication could help with that.
Quality of life is key. Don't keep her going for you, if that makes sense. It's hard to let them go but always do what is right for her. Hugs x

PermanentlyDizzy · 09/08/2021 10:13

I have a 15, almost 16, year old Lurcher with very similar symptoms and a few more which are suggestive of something neurological. I totally understand how you are feeling, as we are going through the same.

I would definitely get a full vet check in the first instance. The staring, pooing and leg dragging could all be down to spinal issues and pain, especially if she’s having issues jumping onto the sofa as well. My boy was already on treatment and supplements for arthritis and we put him on Aktivait for the cognitive decline a year ago, but we discovered at his regular vet appointment a month ago that he has pain in his spine and he was put on Gabapentin for this which has definitely helped.

Like your girl, he loves his walks and adores his food. He has senior moments, when he’s clearly not with us, but conversely still has his cheeky personality, has his version of a mad half hour after dinner every night. He sleeps a lot, but when he’s awake he’s not withdrawn, likes to be involved in what we’re doing and still actively seeks out attention, fusses and cuddles. We do everything we can to keep him comfortable, pain free and happy. Basically the whole household (5 of us) all chip in to make sure his needs are met 24/7. (My husband has been sleeping downstairs with him for months now.)

He sees the vet monthly. She’s great, not a ‘keep going at all costs vet’ and listens to us when we go through how he’s been so we can have an honest discussion. We keep a good day/bad day diary on a whiteboard on the fridge, where we also record any new or worsening symptoms or bad episodes. That helps us to objectively work out if he’s deteriorating or stable and if he is still having more good days than bad, as it’s far to easy to minimise when you don’t want to lose them.

My husband, myself and one of our older teen dcs, who is his best mate and very involved in his care, have regular review discussions, where we honestly talk about how we think he’s doing and if we have reached the end. In fact we had one late last night, where we very sadly agreed that the balance is starting to tip and the end is close now. I think, honestly, we probably only have a couple of weeks now until we need to make the hardest decision before he deteriorates. We’re very conscious that we don’t want to leave it too late after we lost a dog at home to a catastrophic event during the first lockdown last year, when we couldn’t go in with him at the end and we couldn’t just hand him over as he was petrified of the vets. At least this time they will allow us in, although we’re considering using a different vet, recommended by a local rescue, who will come to our house.

It’s a horrible situation to be in and a first for us. In over 30 years of having dogs, this is the first time we’ve dealt with a slow decline and geriatric dog, rather than having a clear indicator that it’s time. Even when we’ve had geriatric dogs before, they have let us know when they have had enough.

Can you call the vets and book in with one of the better vets by name? Ours is a multi-vet practice, so we always make sure we book with the same vet if we can and if not one of the others we have worked with before and know are compassionate and sensible with their approach.

Type up a brief history/timeline of current symptoms and any specific questions to take with you, as it helps you to focus, when it’s often difficult to have these discussions without getting upset and losing your train of thought. Plus my boy always perks up and looks fine and dandy at his vet appointments! We give our notes to the vet every visit and they scan them into his notes, so if we do have to see a different vet the full history is there for them.

I am so sorry you are going through this. I wish I had an easy answer or some definitive guidance, but it’s all so personal and individual and no-one knows your dog like you do, so really you are the only one who will ‘know’. I would say that if you are starting to have these questions/thoughts, that it is probably near, gut instinct is a powerful thing and shouldn’t be ignored. A full vet visit and check-up (book a double appointment if you want to be sure you won’t be rushed) with a frank discussion re options (palliative, pain relief etc) plus an honest, open discussion with your family is the first step towards you making the right decision and struggling less with doubts.

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Scattyhattie · 09/08/2021 10:34

Does seem like some arthritis going on and lumbosacral stenosis is common issue in older sighthounds which could account for pooing, difficulty squatting/ climbing and dragging hind legs. They usually start to sink when stood with hind end weakness towards the end.
Best to have consult with the vet to decide if it's time Flowers it's really hard having to make that choice but I think our pets are lucky we can base on quality of life and not waiting for a natural death like us.

SuperSange · 09/08/2021 11:34

I'm going to speak to my husband when he's home. She won't go in my car (a Ka) and I can't lift her anyhow. We'll take her to be seen and see what's what. She's not an affectionate dog except on her terms, her dad was the same. She'll lie on her own, come for a fuss for a bit ( usually if our spaniel is getting one, he knows she's too dog) then go when she's had enough. She still has a toned down whizz about daily too, which can end in a nip for the spaniel as he's only 8 and is too quick for her now. She's had and has a lovely life. Thank you for your kind words. It's so tricky, a slow decline. Thanks

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tsmainsqueeze · 09/08/2021 23:28

Hi ,i am a vet nurse , i had a lurcher that developed dementia in her old age,
She had every symptom /problem that you describe , anything a vet can do at this stage will give borrowed time only, but in some cases it won't do a thing.
My girl was miserable ,i would never have let her suffer but i do believe i kept her too long ,my children's grief dominated my decisions.
I will never make this mistake again.
I would let her go peacefully and with dignity if i were you ,your vet will guide you and give you an honest opinion.

doscervesas · 10/08/2021 09:25

Just to add my sympathy as I went through something similar with a lurcher boy. He didn't do the pooing, though, which I think might have made the decision for me.

I agree with above that it's best to let them go before they suffer.

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