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Help me chose a breed

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CheersBoris · 31/07/2021 22:47

I’m hoping to be able to get a puppy in the near future. I’ve spent well over a year learning about breeds and breeders and what a dog will need so I’m not after advice about that.

So the breeds id love to hear of peoples experiences with are;
Shih tzus (maybe not able to handle longer walks?)

Westies (barkers?)

Mini poodles (need a lot of stimulation and sensitive?)

Cavaliers (health)

Cockers (resource guarding?)

Frenchies (health)

And possibly some of the poodle crosses (I know,I know, bad breeders..)

I’m aware of health issues within a couple of these breeds being significant. I’ve also put a lot of consideration about what we could offer the dog in terms of exercise ect.
So the main things I’m wondering about and prioritising are..
Exercise requirements, I’m willing to put in what’s needed but ideally not a dog that absolutely needs more than an hours walk every single day but is physically able do stroll around a park for a couple of hours or more

A dog that isn’t too vocal (neighbours)

My kids are 8 and 16 so able to respect the dog and be involved in training. A playful dog would be good, my youngest has adhd and likes to play outside.

A small-medium dog.

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Angelofchaos · 01/08/2021 18:06

@CheersBoris

Lots to think about. People with poodles and cocker spaniels how much exercise do they need? My garden is tiny so count that out. All exercise will be walks.
Non of my cockers have more than an hour day. I have had all different types.

longer at weekends. But not always.

Cockers don't need huge amounts of walking, like a lot of people think. They obviously can walk for hours. But it's not a must everyday. And until they are one, you need to be careful you don't walk them too much and it can damage their joints.

They need alot of brain work. Games, training, working on walks etc by working on walks, my working cocker isn't a trained gun dog. But on walks I make sure she is always focused on me, call her back alot, send the kids off and then get her to go find them, hide the ball etc.

The main issue with cockers, especially as puppies, is that an over tired cocker and a bored cocker generally act the same. You need to get the balance of plenty of sleep but also plenty of entertainment for them. But not too much as chewing and viting gets worse and they need a nap.

They can be terrible biters as puppies. But as long as you pick one training method and are consistent and your kids do exactly the same, it's usually solved within a few weeks.

Start recall training early. I, personally, think they are great dogs. Though not always easy if you don't have a lot of experience. There's some great fb groups for cockers.

One other thing to point out, is that lots of people who don't know about the breed will have heard of cocker rage and probably point that out. Cocker rage is actually rage syndrome and at one point was impacting cockers more than other breeds. But, decent breeders spent alot of time breeding it out and it occurs in many breeds. Its a neurological condition. The dog, what's often described as an absence siezure. There's no personality in their eyes, but instead of just being still they become extremely aggressive. With no trigger. When it's over they seem disorientated and seemingly unaware of what's happened.

If there is a trigger to a cockers aggression is not rage syndrome. Unfortunately, even now, some older vets, vetinary nurses and even some owners still believe cocker rage is a thing. I have know 3 dogs been out to sleep when, in actual fact it was clearly resource guarding. The dogs had a trigger.

Spaniel rescues often rescues dogs that were going to be put down due to rage, who have gone on to be trained out of resource guarding and never been aggressive again.

Also grumpy spaniels often get labelled as 'having rage'.

I am only telling you this because I know alot of people have been put off by listening to people talking rubbish about rage syndrome. Its actually not very common in cockers at all anymore.

Genuinely fab dogs, but you really do need to do your research when it comes to the breeder AND the breed.

Show cockers are more chilled than working. But both tend to like digging up a garden Grin

countrygirl99 · 01/08/2021 18:12

Agree cockers need to have brain work. You can walk them for hours and just end up with a very fit dog that needs it's brain worked.

LadyOfTheFlowers · 01/08/2021 18:15

We have a lab.

He's the 3rd I have had. I had 2 females many moons ago, sisters.

Have also had a JRT, whippet and GSD.

Labs, I find, are very easy. Yes they moult, but they are just so adaptable and easy going.

Angelofchaos · 01/08/2021 18:17

@countrygirl99

Agree cockers need to have brain work. You can walk them for hours and just end up with a very fit dog that needs it's brain worked.
This is so true!!!
LadyOfTheFlowers · 01/08/2021 18:18

Sorry if you have already ruled lab/larger breeds out. Not read whole thread.

Certainly wouldn't recommend a JRT or similarly spirited terrier to a newbie.

My mum has a somewhat spoilt Westie and she is an absolute nightmare. Confused

HappyThursdays · 01/08/2021 18:19

I love our cocker more than I thought was possible but he was and is v v difficult to train. He was never that interested in food and most puppy training revolves around giving them food to do things and he couldn't have been less interested.

It was only once he was older and could go to gun dog training where they don't bother with treats that he came into his own!

We have a small garden and it's fine but I wouldn't recommend a working cocker to someone who isn't experienced with dogs or who doesn't have a lot of time. Our local spaniel rescue lady uses our vets and she said they are seeing a surge in people handing their teenage cockers/cockerpoos in because of challenging behaviours!

Colleagues got shih tzus and are loving them (though I don't know much about them!)

LadyOfTheFlowers · 01/08/2021 18:21

Mil has a shitzu and he's dreamy. Walks as long as you let him and such a softie

Turquoisesol · 01/08/2021 18:23

HPpythursdays- how do they train gun dogs if not with treats? I am intrigued as I do think it should be possible to train without treats, but can’t see how !

Aurea · 01/08/2021 18:26

Australian labradoodle - extensively health tested (including temperament) and bred to reduce the chance of allergic reactions.

Very family friendly, cuddly and often used as therapy dogs.

Can come in all sizes.

animalso.com/breeds/australian-labradoodle/

icedcoffees · 01/08/2021 18:31

@CheersBoris

Lots to think about. People with poodles and cocker spaniels how much exercise do they need? My garden is tiny so count that out. All exercise will be walks.
Not much experience with poodles but I agree that cockers need brain work - they love to use their nose, so you could do things like:
  • getting them to find a ball in long grass
  • throw their dry food in the grass (or around the house) to sniff out
  • feed their meals out of kongs, lick-mats and snuffle mats
  • get them into a sport. I walk several who do agility, cani-cross or swimming/retrieve work in water.

Walking a cocker for hours gives you a fit cocker. It won't tire them out.

HappyThursdays · 01/08/2021 19:15

@Turquoisesol lots of positive praise in the main and repetition! The whole premise is based around making you the most interesting person and the best thing so that you rank higher in excitement than distractions. Also really focusing on getting the basics right. It's been great fun. Both me and him have loved it so much. The end of the lesson is always a fun 10 mins where he gets to find rabbit balls in the field!

MissShapesMissStakes · 01/08/2021 19:26

My mini is happy with an hour a day. Sometimes in one go, sometimes two smaller walks. Although we do have a big garden. He is also good for a longer walk every so often.

It's also about brain games. Training tricks etc, sniffing games, and company.

They are clever and motivated to please their people. I would imagine one that doesn't get much company would be pretty miserable and may become loud or destructive. But that could be said of many dogs.

Turquoisesol · 01/08/2021 19:29

Thanks that’s interesting happythursdays. I have a border collie and I was reading about Barbara Sykes methods which she doesnt believe in treats . Perhaps they are similar

HappyThursdays · 01/08/2021 20:23

I hadn't heard of her @Turquoisesol but just looked it up and her methods look interesting. There's probably a reason so many training books have been written about training collies and spaniels GrinGrin

Turquoisesol · 01/08/2021 20:28

Yes amazing, she doesn’t believe in halti collars, titbits, toys, check collars. So kind of fascinating what she does use. I expect methods similar to how sheep dogs are trained as I can’t imagine Shepard’s carrying around toys and treats everywhere

Turquoisesol · 01/08/2021 20:30

Apologies I derailed thread

Lifeisaminestrone · 01/08/2021 20:52

I have a cavalier and have met many on walks who are in their teens - one being an old rescue puppy farm breeding dog who is still going strong!

They are known to have health issues but choose carefully. There’s a good charity called cavalier matters that has some useful info.

Mine was tricky to house train, but is a very loyal dog. He’s very much a spaniel! We saw my friend’s baby who we hadn’t been able to see due Covid. DDog cried the whole time and at the end we realised it was because he wanted to lick and snuggle the baby Grin. He didn’t get a chance but was still very sweet!

Because they are so loving, generally they’re easy to rescue too. There’s lots of people rehoming their puppies Angry.

Insurance is high but worth it.

There’s some good breeders out there. Look at some local cavalier breed groups! Breeding is complicated but you’ll be able to suss out the good ones. I had a two hour interview.

If would like a cav, I’ve heard there’s a lady in the West Country who is trying to do a cross-breed programme with Brittany Spaniels. I don’t know much about her but read a recent article. Maybe also worth investigating?

Inthesameboatatmo · 01/08/2021 20:58

I'm going say a basset hound.
They are incredibly patient and gentle well known for zero aggression it is very very rare in the breed practically bomb proof .
Absolutely wonderful with children and enjoy long walks or short walks and love to snuggle with their humans more than anything.

fufulina · 01/08/2021 21:01

Grew up with border terriers. My parents still have two. But the borders make DH wheezy. And they are both high needs. Nervy and a bit neurotic. I think that’s their environment and lack of socialisation though.
We got a shih tzu at the end of last year. Low
Shedding. We live in London and he is happy with 45 minutes walk, or can go for hours. He is an absolute dream. Not remotely vocal - we did total ignoring of any barking (don’t know if that helps, but it’s what the book said!). His grooming needs are high! He is a really lovely family dog,

OverByYer · 01/08/2021 21:04

Another vote for Border terrier.
I was a novice dog owner when we got ours 8 years ago.
She will walk as little or far as you like. She only barks if someone approaches the house - not a bad guard dog. Doesn’t chew and make any fuss when left. She has become a little bit grumpier towards other dogs as she’s got older. ( she particularly dislikes pugs and frenchies)

CheersBoris · 01/08/2021 21:10

@Lifeisaminestrone I think I may have found a good breeder of cavs with all relevant Heath tests. But the price is high.
I know the cross breeding programme your talking about, I’ve reached out to her before, but I think I’d be in for a very long wait.

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Twilight7777 · 01/08/2021 21:11

I have a toy poodle who from 8 weeks was carried round in a backpack type carrier to places she couldn’t be walked, she’s the most friendly laid back dog, will happily go to a busy pub and curl up and go to sleep. She only barks when she’s playing, will be happy with a 20 minute walk or 2 hours, she really doesn’t mind. She is very clever and watches me for cues, for instance putting my shoes on being a signal that I’m going out. Poodles are quite easy to train, love to please their owners, love to be around children, my poodle is around my 1 year old niece and is so gentle and calm with her

TripleSeptic · 01/08/2021 21:24

I think you 100% need a Lhasa apso in your life, if your number one choice is a Shi tsu, I researched both. We have a Lhasa, she only barks if she's feeling scared, she mostly watches everything and comes to tell us that theres a cat I'm her garden, (does a wee "quick, follow me" dance) she's not in the least bit yappy, she's fine on her own, doesn't fret, brilliant with children, friends with everyone, doesn't know she's a wee dog, loves big dogs, would walk all day if we let her, super happy to lie about if we're lying about, she's amazing. I've never seen my fur baby snap. She's 3 and she's lying with me in my daughters bed, getting her to sleep. She's a creature of habit, knows when she's due a treat and isn't afraid to demand it. She shows me the cupboard. She protects the family from flies and cats, she's such a wee love. Her favourite spot is looking out the living room window. They're sentinel dogs, she'll not bark, just get down and dance to alert us. The first time she barked, we wondered what the noise was!

twinkletoedelephant · 01/08/2021 21:28

Twinkledog is not impressed black lab was not on your list Smile

Help me chose a breed
Grinch48 · 01/08/2021 21:32

I have a french bulldog who’s 18 months
Very healthy no skin allergies no breathing problems .When I took him to the vets recently they said he was an excellent example of the breed
I did all the right stuff KC reg - health tested parents blah blah

Unfortunately he’s a grade A knobhead 😂
Absolutely lovely but a complete and utter dickhead