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Onlead/Offlead

13 replies

Fiftiesfresh · 27/07/2021 10:56

Hi all. I know this has been done to death, but jeez, I need a rant! WHY are some dogwalkers so clueless/entitled and think their dog can do absolutely what they like without challenge and somehow its everyone else thats in the wrong?

So on our way to a local playing field this morning, down a shared pedestrian/cycle track. It is usually very busy with people and bikes, so I prefer to keep ddog on lead until we turn a corner into semi-woodland which leads onto the field. We have JUST turned the corner, when over a small hill comes an unknown large black enthusiastic dog, offlead, woofing and bouncing, with two owners nearby. Barrels straight into ddog, whose tail immediately goes between his legs and he runs round the back of me. He is not a big fan of being ''accosted' by other dogs when on his lead unsurprisingly. The familiar call of ''she wont hurt him'' ensues, but no attempt at recall. She continues fussing and bouncing on him, whilst he is clearly nervous and trying to get away. So I calmly say ''can you call her off please'' whilst trying to reassure ddog and disentangle myself from the lead in order to try and walk away. I get ''the look'', and a half-hearted ''come on daisy'' After a couple more ''requests'' she decides to disengage and bounces off. It was pretty clear they had no real interest in actively moving their dog on...she was offlead and that was that. You get the picture.

I rewarded ddog with a biscuit for being reasonably calm under duress, and said ''not all dogs want to play, especially when they are on a lead'' to which I get ''well they wont play if they're not let off to socialise''

So is the expectation that when encountering a dog such as this, I should immediately release mine regardless of whether I am comfortable doing so given the location, or if he is nervous, fear aggressive, injured, post-surgery, has bad recall, etc. etc ...in other words any of the numerous reasons why a dog may be leashed. When making comments like this, do people like this give any thought to the consequences for their OWN dog, i.e. mine was already displaying nervousness, what if I had let him off and he had decided to react by snapping/biting/chasing theirs off out of fear because he didnt actually WANT to be forced to play? I think this would make me rather irresponsible, but damned if you do, damned if you dont, right?

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PollyRoulson · 27/07/2021 12:01

You are right they are numpties. Do not doubt your view opinion or intelligence Smile today you met the dog walking idiots of which there are a lot unfortunately

I love how other dog owners can make a judgement call on my dogs when they literally seen them for 20 secs. The fact I live with them 24/7 seems to be irrelevant.

We used to play idiot bingo when walking our dogs - how many stupid dog comments, dog owners actions can you get on one walk - slightly took the frustration out of the occasions.

Now we just avoid all people - love a bit of social distancing Smile

Fiftiesfresh · 27/07/2021 16:59

Yes that's it Polly - presumably they judged my dog isnt socialised and therefore this is why I had him on his lead. I remember a thread from a while ago where someone commented along the lines of a well socialised dog doesnt mean one that does as it pleases and everyone else just falls in line. Ours is actually 5.5 and very well socialised...we were on our way to our regular off-lead, hour or so walk with other dogs of all shapes and sizes, on an enclosed field where most get along just fine and are in the main under the control of sensible owners.

I will try a game of idiot bingo...with the hope that it takes a while to get a full house Grin

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Turquoisesol · 27/07/2021 17:15

I have a young puppy whose behaviour isn’t perfect and she will occasionally run up to say hello to strangers. She is still smallish and cute so it’s not too bad, but I realise not everyone wants a puppy to do this so if people approach I tend to put her on lead. She doesn’t really have the confidence to approach other dogs especially bigger ones. But I am starting to think when I see people coming that if their dog is off lead I should just let her off. Cos it’s just not fair on her otherwise. If the off lead dog approaches she is so much more unsure of the situation. Sometimes she gets excited and wants to join in. Other times she just wants to run away a bit with tail between her legs. So it seems so unfair to have her on lead and take this choice away from her. It must be so hard for anyone who just wants to keep their dog on a lead though. It’s so difficult navigating all these dog dog interactions

Turquoisesol · 27/07/2021 17:18

I had her on lead and someone had three massive dogs- not sure of breed but they were all probably bigger than average lab. Bounded up to her to start sniffing all round her. She pretty scared and it was obvious but owner didn’t seem to see anything wrong with the situation at all. I guess it’s ok if you have a pack of 3 big dogs all together off lead then you pretty much rule to park!

Turquoisesol · 27/07/2021 17:19

*rule the park

currahee · 27/07/2021 18:39

"I love how other dog owners can make a judgement call on my dogs when they literally seen them for 20 secs. The fact I live with them 24/7 seems to be irrelevant."

YES. Arriving at a footpath through a field at the same time as another dog owner:

"Oh lovely, let him off, mine's friendly."

"Sorry, if I can just come past please?"

"Oh, does he not come back?"

"He does, he just won't want to play, thanks."

-dog starts growling as enormous rude dog has now spotted him and is bristling in his face-

"Oh he's a naughty one is he, haha, well she'll sort him out!"

...and I just think, FGS, leave us alone to enjoy our walk. I am not obliged to stand here and spend 10 minutes explaining to you all the possible reasons why we don't want to play with your dog, plus you would think I was mad if I did. Just trust that I know my own dog better than you.

Fiftiesfresh · 27/07/2021 19:08

currahee YES, not a dissimilar situation, just a bit more dialogue. You have explained it much better than I did.

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TabithaTiger · 27/07/2021 19:13

Yes, I agree. Some people are clueless. Normally, these are younger dogs and I imagine they must be first time dog owners.

My dog is very friendly, but I keep him on the lead in busy parks, just like you did with yours. Every time, you can guarantee a younger dog will come bouncing over, jumping all round him. My dog is 11, he doesn't want to play he just wants to go for a walk and mind his own business. The owners don't seem to get it though.

currahee · 27/07/2021 19:41

I think it was the dialogue involved that still has me stewing on it days later. Having been clearly and politely told that I just want to walk past, and why, how dare she think she knows better and also assert that she could teach my dog a lesson.

I agree that 'well socialised' is clueless dog owner speak for 'allowed to do whatever it likes and sod the consequences' and you will be judged as uptight and your dog as unsocialised if you object. Rest assured that they are indeed numpties.

Helenluvsrob · 29/07/2021 13:19

I would be tempted if my dog is on lead to start the chat :

“ call your dog off “

But he’s friendly

“ Mine isn’t , get your dog now “

(mine is great but I do t like him potentially being scared by an overly bouncy dog )

Fiftiesfresh · 29/07/2021 20:34

currahee oh yes, the arrogance! Angry

Helenluvsrob yes i've resorted to that sometimes for repeat offenders, usually results in ''the look'' and a mouthful but also seems to do the trick. Grin

On one occasion, this time offlead, ddog and myself had been thoroughly bounced and slathered on and had our ball nicked by a large dog whose owner was on the opposite side of the field studiously ignoring it all. By which point ddog was getting quite upset and the other dog had started jumping and biting at my pockets for biscuits. After repeated attempts to shoo the other dog away and get the owners attention had failed, he finally came into range. When I asked him to get control of his dog and leave me and mine alone, his reply was ''oh for gods sake ok, so stand still long enough for me to get hold of him then'' Priceless Grin

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icedcoffees · 30/07/2021 06:41

Yes, I agree. Some people are clueless. Normally, these are younger dogs and I imagine they must be first time dog owners.

Actually I find the total opposite.

Around here it's old men who let their dogs wander about (normally out of their site completely) and let them approach everyone (dog owner not). They don't carry leads, don't make any effort to call their dogs back and just stand in a group chatting while their dogs wander about and get in everyone else's way!

Young people seem hyper aware of their dogs and will call them back or keep them on a lead all the time.

vivainsomnia · 30/07/2021 11:40

There are idiots, it's inevitable. I get them too occasionally, but they pale compared to the heart warming accounters I get with other lovely dog owners, so I ignored these. Whatever walk of life, you experience people who perceive situations very differently to you. It's annoying, but it's better to move on.

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