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Poodle mix dogs

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kitkatsky · 16/05/2021 16:49

Hi everyone,

I'm really sorry for the stupid question but I'm starting to research the best dog to add to our family (we have a young child as well as the older one who wants the dog so while I'm looking at rescues not much is suitable...) It feels like a cocker spaniel or cockapoo would be the best fit for us in these early research stages but I see a lot of negativity towards poodle mixes on here. I understand the unethical breeders and puppy farms side of it but thought a mixed breed might be better than an overbred pedigree from a health and puppy wellbeing point of view? Very happy to be told I'm wrong and as I've said we're early in the research stages and a pup is at least a year off as I want to get it right! Just wondered why the negativity towards poodle mixes?

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somethinginthewater · 16/05/2021 17:04

For me, it's purely because I've never met one that didn't come from a puppy farm.
I've also met 10-11 yr old poodles who have been offloaded from puppy farms and that's not something I can get over.
Many will come on here claiming to have found amazing breeders of poodle crosses but I'm yet to be convinced.

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kitkatsky · 16/05/2021 17:21

That's a fair reply, thank you. I've found some local kennels that breed them but I haven't done a deep dive on them yet really

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BiteyShark · 16/05/2021 17:26

Look up the conditions both breeds are prone to. I have a WCS and wanted to make sure mine didn't inherit certain ones so made sure I bought from a breeder that had DNA tested the parents.

Crosses can be lovely but be prepared for the worst of both breeds because you may think they look more poodle like but then have the temperament of a cocker.

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cupsofcoffee · 16/05/2021 17:37

I understand the unethical breeders and puppy farms side of it but thought a mixed breed might be better than an overbred pedigree from a health and puppy wellbeing point of view?

No, this isn't necessarily the case at all, and I actually have no issue with well-bred poodle crosses - but they are very much a rarity.

I have to ask, though, what is it you want from a cockapoo that you couldn't get from a cocker spaniel or a poodle?

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ThankYouHunkyJesus · 16/05/2021 17:41

Just get a cocker or a poodle from a good breeder.

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Hoppinggreen · 16/05/2021 17:46

The reason I am negative about poodle crosses is that I find the prices charged for them is crazy for what is effectively a mongrel.
Also, because they are so popular and expensive too many people breed them badly as an “easy” way to make money so for me it’s a welfare issue.
The other problem with crossing 2 breeds is that you can actually get a dog with the worst attributes of both breeds rather than the best

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TedsWeeDonkey · 16/05/2021 17:58

Ask yourself what it is that you're expecting from a cockerpoo that you can't get from a cocker spaniel or a poodle. You've no guarantee which traits will come through.

I'm biased, we have a wonderful toy poodle. Most people other than people who really know dogs assume that he's a cockerpoo from his cut, we don't have a traditional poodle cut and he's cut fairly short. He's easy to maintain, much easier than the coats of the cockerpoo's we know as they have the 2 types of coat. He's fab, has all the poodle cleverness and personality, easy to train, great with everyone and other dogs. Likes a good long walk but happy with short walks too. Happy to be left bit loves his people. Also cost significantly less than a poodle cross, baffles me why people don't just get poodles, they are awesome!

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Jahebejrjr · 16/05/2021 18:01

I have a poodle cross who was from a breeder who usually bred labs. We met her mother and grandmother and paid a few hundred pounds.

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tabulahrasa · 16/05/2021 18:08

“thought a mixed breed might be better than an overbred pedigree from a health and puppy wellbeing point of view?”

The thing is, it’s not really a mixed breed in that way, it’s not like an old fashioned mongrel type dog with loads of diversity in it, it’s potentially 2 overbred dogs and both breeds have some health conditions that they share.

So careful breeding and full health testing is way better than just a random cross for the sake of doing it.

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kitkatsky · 16/05/2021 18:17

I only really expected better health than from a pure breed. Def looks like I'm uninformed- thank you so much for comments!

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salcombebabe · 16/05/2021 18:18

Why not look at Bichon Frise? No moulting dogs and good for those with allergies. Calm, funny, kind and loving dogs with the loveliest nature. Originally bred in 15th (poss 16th) century from a Water Spaniel and a Poodle.

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tsmainsqueeze · 16/05/2021 18:24

I know my opinion may not be popular but from what i and my colleagues see in our very busy vet practice a cockerpoo is not a breed that i / we would ever consider .
Over the years they have become increasingly popular but since lockdown we are inundated with them , of course we see a lot of sweet natured happy ones but equally we see nervy , excitable , untrustworthy ones and we do have to muzzle quite a few for examination .
Sadly the majority of what we see seem to be bought from unlicensed people out to make a quick buck.
I agree with a previous poster about pedigree poodles , we don't see a lot now but the ones we do seem quite a hardy breed with good natures .
Regarding a spaniel i would go for a working cocker every time over a cocker spaniel .
And don't get me started on the obscene amounts dogs are being sold for !

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AgathaX · 16/05/2021 19:15

What others have said. Get a well bred cocker or poodle from a breeder that DNA tests and is experienced in raising a well rounded litter.

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kitkatsky · 16/05/2021 19:49

@tsmainsqueeze completely agree re the costs and thank you for your expertise. We're also looking at bassets- would love to know any opinions on those if you don't mind.

Thank you also for further comments. I'm really reconsidering and looking at pure breeds

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Boysnme · 16/05/2021 19:53

We have a Cockapoo who we got before lockdown so therefore didn’t pay crazy prices. We did loads of research before choosing our breeder so know he’s not from a puppy farm.

He’s a loveable dog and has been great with my son who was nervous around dogs ( they are now best friends). Lockdown would however make me wary about who was breeding now though and the prices being charge are ridiculous.

Feel free to pm me if you want info on what we looked for in our breeder.

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Thatswatshesaid · 16/05/2021 19:58

You can’t win TBH
Most breeds have health issues or temperament issues. Cocker spaniels can be lovely but can also be neurotic, resource guarding, can’t be left alone nightmares. I know because I have one.
I regret getting ours if I’m honest. I love the walks and I love him so couldn’t re-home him. But I will never get another puppy again.

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flossletsfloss · 16/05/2021 20:33

No idea what posters are talking about. We have a young poodle cross and she's lovely. A dog is a dog...some come with health problems and some are harder work than others. I've had pure breeds in the past.

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AmazingGrapes · 16/05/2021 20:45

I used to have a poodle. They are AWESOME! Agree with a PP who said you can basically choose what they look like from one haircut to the next but the two best things about them are:

  1. They don’t moult
  2. They have INCREDIBLE personalities. So loving, clever, loyal, friendly
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Ylvamoon · 16/05/2021 21:46

If you are set on a poodle x, please ensure you but from health tested parents.
This is a good start, under the buying tab are the recommended tests.

www.cockapooclubgb.co.uk

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tsmainsqueeze · 17/05/2021 19:33

Hi just read your comment about basset hounds , have a google at negative traits- quite a few ! , if its your 1st dog as a family there are so many other simpler easy to keep breeds .
I don't think many vets see a lot of this breed in general , surprisingly they are usually very heavy ! often chronic skin , ears and problems relating to the length of their spine.
Have you looked at flat coat retrievers , cairn terriers, whippets, lurchers ,Staffordshire bull terrier( -avoiding staffs mixed with other UNKNOWN bull breeds.)pointers ,springers , jack russell's ,big characters , clever and fun .

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Ihaventgottimeforthis · 17/05/2021 20:48

Onepf my issues with poo crosses is that people think they are cute friendly family dogs because of their teddy bear appearance, and fail to train, exercise or groom them properly - treat them like toys, in fact. When in reality a spaniel poodle cross is high energy, intelligent, can be highly strung & will need a lot of maintenance.
I think these popular crosses often have a miserable start in life (often with links to organised crime through puppy farms) and then go on to lead equally miserable, stressful, dull, uncomfortable lives where naive families don't care for them properly & occasionally put people at risk of serious injury from aggression.
That's not restricted to poo crosses though

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MajesticWhine · 17/05/2021 21:04

I have a cockapoo and a working cocker. Both great dogs.
The cockapoo is a bit less energetic and now she's 2 years old, she is content with shorter walks and likes lazing around. The cocker spaniel is very high energy, but he is still a puppy. He will calm down. Our previous working cocker was a lovely dog and she was trained to run several miles with DH which she loved. We will train the pup to do the same. They are working dogs and they need a "job" of some sort.
Just a caution about having a puppy with a younger child. Puppies bite, scratch and jump. Even if they have a charming temperament, as puppies they push boundaries and have awful manners. So make sure your young DC can handle it. Or you will make sure you are on hand to deal with things. In my experience the puppy tends to try to compete and play-fight with the smallest person in the family, to try to find out their place in the pack.

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poodlefan · 17/05/2021 21:31

Miniature poodles are generally very healthy dogs the average life span in 14-15 years. The get an eye problem called PRA but reputable breeders will have their dogs screened for it.
Mine is coming up for 10 most people are surprised when I tell them he has an inherent joie de vivre, he's easy to train, adaptable and devoted to his human family, mine also rarely barks, is non shedding which is a huge selling point and is greatly admired by all who meet him. As said above you can clip them to look how you would like.

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InTheNightWeWillWish · 17/05/2021 21:41

The only sort of mongrel that is allowed on MN is one that has come from a rescue.

There are dogs that go through phases of popularity, which poo mixes are at the moment, so all those people who can’t be bothered to train a dog get the popular breed and that tarnishes the opinion of all others from that breed. There are a lot of people that can’t be bothered to train dogs. They wouldn’t be bothered to train them whether they have a poodle mix, a chihuahua or a Labrador. The people who can’t be bothered to train a dog aren’t going to be the people who get a rare breed. There are people who get these popular breeds and cross breeds who are willing to train though. But you remember the negative ones and that stays with you, tarnishing the rest of the breed.

I’ve got a cockapoo and a Labrador. So MN’s most hated and most approved dog. My Labrador is far more neurotic than my cockapoo. He has some mild resource guarding issues and struggles being left. The cockapoo has a lot of sass but she isn’t neurotic. They were both difficult to train but in different ways. The cockapoo was stubborn and I know dogs can’t technically roll their eyes but this one gets close. She’s wonderfully trained and she will do as she’s told but we do sometimes get an eye roll if it’s not what she wants. The Labrador was easy in that he’s food driven by nature but he’s also so full on. Getting the Labrador to stop and think is a challenge. He has two speeds - asleep or bull in a China shop.

The cockapoo has never been muzzled and I don’t need to muzzle her. She had a grass seed stuck in the very bottom of her ear canal and the vet pulled it out without her being under sedation or reacting badly. I told her she was a good girl and trickle fed her treats. She yelped in pain but the vet was never worried about being bitten. When she was spayed and we took her in to have her stitches out, she lay on the floor of the vets in a dead and lifted her leg to allow the vet access to her stitches. Then got up and gave the vet a big kiss. The Labrador is nowhere near as good at being handled, he’s getting there though but it’s taking a lot more work than the cockapoo. I don’t think we’ll need to muzzle him but we do have to regularly do handling training with him.

There are downsides to poodle mixes, like grass seeds, but that is applicable to poodles and cocker spaniels. Also most non-shedding dogs. Cocker spaniels and poodles are generally both very intelligent dogs and a poodle mix will also likely be very intelligent. For some dogs, that will manifest as needing hours of stimulation. For our dog is manifested as stubbornness and a fondness for shortcuts, especially at training. We struggle to recall to front, hold, then send to heel because she knows she gets sent to heel so will just come and sit at heel. She can’t be bothered with the middle bit. That’s not a huge problem now as we don’t do dog shows or anything and she does what we want but as a teenager it added an extra layer to the teenage angst. They also require a lot of grooming, again so do poodles and cockers, you’ll need to brush them regularly and also get their coat trimmed. Personally, I can’t be bothered with the teddy bear cut, it grows out too fast. I just ask the groomer to take it quite short and then let her grow out. She goes about 10-12 weeks between cuts.

We’ve worked hard to train both our dogs. The cockapoo was easy as a puppy but hard as a teenager. The Labrador was really hard as a puppy but is doing better in the teenage years (so far). We did a lot with our cockapoo before lockdown. We did agility and flyball once a month. We also still attend training with her (she’s 4). This isn’t because she’s neurotic or naughty. It’s because she enjoys training and so do we. Even though we did a lot, the cockapoo is actually happy lazing around. We don’t have to do something intense with her every day, contrary to popular belief on here.

My cockapoo has been hard work at times. I’m not denying that. Honestly, her teenage phase was really hard. However, she is absolutely one of the better behaved dogs that Ive met. It pisses me off that because a lot of people who couldn’t be bothered to train a dog got cockapoos, they now have this bad rep. But all cockapoos are the same.

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Mojoj · 17/05/2021 21:46

I have a Cockapoo which I got from a very reputable breeder. Met the mum etc etc. He's the love of my life! A friendly, happy, adorable wee soul who loves everyone.

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