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Neighbour has puppy with cropped ears

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Neighbourdog · 22/03/2021 09:22

NC as this may get very outing!!! And neighbour has a young child so may well be on here. Sorry this is long want to give background before current concern.

We have only lived here 6 months, the neighbours bought maybe 3 years before us. We haven’t spoken much beyond brief hellos. We both have dogs ; ours is a small rescue, he can be a little reactive/bark when anxious, but we are very dedicated to him. He comes to work with me every day unless DP is home, if he is in the garden we are with him, he sleeps in with us. We have just started to leave him for very short periods of time (started 10 mins, we’re now up to 90 mins) by himself but we have cameras to monitor and he just waits on the stairs for us, no noise or destructiveness.

Neighbours dog is a fairly desirable/expensive breed, and they leave her outside all day and all night. She is always out there - even during the snow when it was below zero. She has thin fur; not designed for being outdoors like that. She has a wooden kennel and their garden is almost entirely hard standing, no plants, just a tiny square of grass at the end. Whenever we go out to our garden, she barks and growls at us, sometimes throws herself against the fence, and at one point started damaging the fence (our fence, btw) biting it trying to get through it - they then moved her wooden kennel to cover the broken bit/hole so she can’t get to it any more. Obviously our dog will react to that - who wouldn’t - but we have placed items to prevent him going next to the fence where her kennel is, to reduce her noticing in the first place, we are with him to help calm him, often take him to toilet on the lead so we can control if he does react, and he is getting better over time. All they ever seem to do is come out and shout at her occasionally when she is barking for a very extended period of time.

This is just to give background - clearly we are very different types of dog owners. I don’t agree with how they keep her and we do not talk at all, I guess both sides probably think the other are ‘wrong’. I wouldn’t want to get in a conversation with them about it to be honest. The man smokes drugs in the garden sometimes and I find him a little intimidating.

Anyway, yesterday we saw they have a new puppy as they were all out in the yard (very unusual) when I was in an upstairs room. It is a mastiff type and was wearing a buster collar - then I saw it has cropped ears. There is no way it is old enough to have been imported, this must have been done in the U.K., so this is illegal and someone has committed an offence. And the poor puppy has had its ears chopped off for fashion.

Obviously a lot of my response is just gobsmacked they would go out and spend thousands on a new puppy when they (to my eyes) don’t seem to care very much about the dog they’ve got. I am also very wary of how this may unfold with now 2 large powerful dogs next door growling and barking, breaking my fence and threatening my dog. I don’t know if the puppy is in the house, I haven’t heard it, just seen them playing with it in the yard yesterday.

But.....the ear cropping. That is awful. I don’t think the neighbours have done anything illegal but the “breeder” almost certainly has. Others have been prosecuted for this crime. The neighbours may not even be aware how horrendous this practice is and that it is illegal.

WWYD? I don’t want this to turn into confrontation about how they keep their dogs. I was thinking of writing a letter to put through their door giving information/links to respected organisations explaining about the issue of ear cropping and asking that they consider the issue, and please think about contacting the RSPCA with details of the person who has done this (I know they are chocolate teapot sometimes but this is an easily prosecutable hot topic issue), making it clear that I don’t think the neighbours have personally done anything illegal, but what has been done to this puppy is wrong. Maybe even links to the prominent social media personalities who have spoken out saying they regret their dogs having docked ears and condemning the practice etc.

Will hold off to see if puppy is still there - DP pointed out it could have been just visiting.

This has really upset me but also very aware these are our neighbours, I want my garden to be my sanctuary, will be doing it up gradually and we plan to live here forever. And trying to separate my judgypants-ness of how they keep their dog vs the importance of the ear cropping issue.

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Easterbunnygettingready · 22/03/2021 09:24

Report to the police. And rspca. It is an offence.

And some bastard should be held accountable...

Lastbonestanding · 22/03/2021 09:33

Personally I would forget about the ear cropping which has been done now. A letter will just make your neighbours annoyed with you. I would concentrate on making sure you and your family are safe from the potentially dangerous and neglected dogs next door. I would strengthen the fence and make sure my garden was impenetrable to large dogs. Could you try to reward your dog for staying calm when it is out in the garden and the other dogs bark and growl and jump at the fence or take your dog into your front garden to toilet? I would be very unhappy with this situation.

GeidiPrimes · 22/03/2021 09:33

I'd have no hesitation in reporting to the RSPCA. I wouldn't have thought there's much point talking to neighbors about the cruelty of cosmetic surgery for pets as by their actions have shown they're cool with animals being mutilated on a whim. Poor puppy.

Easterbunnygettingready · 22/03/2021 10:00

Op can you get some pics of the ddog wearing it's cone? Or the owner could in a few weeks claim she got it already like that. The vet /butcher needs tracking down.

Neighbourdog · 22/03/2021 10:18

Haven’t seen them yet today but I am off so if I do may try for photos from an upstairs window if can be inconspicuous. I think they did get it like that though, that’s the point.

We are planning to replace the fence with a bigger/stronger one, but it’s not cheap (over £3k) and there are other priorities for spending money at least until the end of this year or next year. Doggo is doing very well with learning to be calm in the garden. He spends time on his lead with me gardening and praise/treats for settling down by me.

The reason I want to ask them to report the breeder themselves is that I don’t believe it’s the neighbours that have committed the offence but the breeder. Calling the RSPCA/police on the neighbours seems a lot more antagonistic than opening a discussion with them first no?

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MagentaRocks · 22/03/2021 10:22

Wow. I never knew eat cropping was a thing. How awful. Just googled it. I am sure I saw dog the other day with the bandages like they have on dogs that have been cropped. Never even crossed my mind it was for something like this. I would report if I were you. Terrible thing to do.

CovidCorvid · 22/03/2021 10:22

They’ll know it’s illegal. They won’t care. You’re likely to antagonise them. And if you then report them they’ll know it was you.

Either ignore or report. I wouldn’t get in a conversation with them about it.

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BlondehairRedlips · 22/03/2021 10:26

Surely when they take it to the vet for it's immunisations the vet will notice and take action?

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bunnygeek · 22/03/2021 10:31

Give the RSPCA a call for advice, they have a whole "Flop Not Crop" campaign going at the moment. They will hopefully have some advice on the situation.

It's likely a Cane Corso, "American Bully XL" or Presa Canario - these are the three main "mastiff-like" breeds that are being cropped at the moment. And they are NOT cheap to buy. Thousands for a cropped puppy. And yep it's being done by dodgy types in garages with scissors. There was a whole thing recently that you could buy an ear cropping kit from the US on Amazon. Urgh.

Flaunch · 22/03/2021 10:35

I was just going to say that the RSPCA have a campaign about ear cropping at the moment. Maybe call them and have a chat about it?

People can be such utter arseholes.

Frazzled2207 · 22/03/2021 10:37

@CovidCorvid

They’ll know it’s illegal. They won’t care. You’re likely to antagonise them. And if you then report them they’ll know it was you.

Either ignore or report. I wouldn’t get in a conversation with them about it.

This.
Hoppinggreen · 22/03/2021 10:39

You might say your neighbour has done nothing wrong but if people didnt want this the breeder wouldn’t do it
Utter wankers

villainousbroodmare · 22/03/2021 10:41

The fact that the puppy has endured some discomfort from having his ears cropped pales into insignificance beside the actual problem you have. You are living next door to a bunch of irresponsible skangbags with two potentially dangerous dogs. I would suggest not antagonizing them with pointless letters. They are not going to have a 'road to Damascus' moment based on your intervention.

rbe78 · 22/03/2021 10:46

"Oh my gosh, what a cute puppy! I've always wanted one like that! Can you give me your breeders number so I can get on their waiting list?"

Then report the breeder to the RSPCA/police.

Thatsmycupoftea · 22/03/2021 11:15

Op please see my 3 recent posts on here.

Forget the cropped ears for now and spend the money on a fence asap. I'd be prioritising this expense. We have two dangerous bully type dogs next door who have attacked.

Its a puppy now but soon you'll have two big strong dangerous dogs trying to get through your fence and this should be your main concern.

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WitchesBritchesPumpkinPants · 22/03/2021 11:52

Horrible, horrible bastards.

I would try ringing the SPCA first, plus the local dog warden - then police

DO. NOT ENGAGE with them, it will NOT end well.

Make sure your DDog never goes out alone.

Be safe.

Poor 🐶 🐶😢

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Neighbourdog · 22/03/2021 11:58

Unfortunately there are other things we absolutely have to do first that do come before that fence, but it is way up there on the list don’t worry! The current fence is not insecure at present, as long as it isn’t broken any further. We’re not ignoring that issue.

When we do replace the fence that will be a whole other can or worms won’t it - they can’t leave the dogs unsupervised in the garden all day whilst I have contractors replacing the fence!

No sign of puppy or humans today, existing dog is sleeping at the end of the yard in the sun. DP said he heard barking in the house but I haven’t. Maybe the puppy was a visitor.

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sunflowersandbuttercups · 22/03/2021 12:06

I would contact the RSPCA and just make them aware.

They take things like that seriously - it's illegal and they have a campaign about it.

I wouldn't engage with the owners - you'll just give them a heads up and they'll assume any reports are because of you.

landofgiants · 23/03/2021 21:25

This ear cropping thing makes my blood boil. It seems to be on the rise, too. This mutilation is illegal to perform in the uk (although a vet could crop/amputate part of an ear for therapeutic reasons), so the puppy has either been imported probably from Europe (and many of them are, with people paying huge sums of money) or has been done illegally in the uk (in which case it is highly unlikely that it has involved a vet). If it was imported, this may or may not have been done legally, sometimes animals are passed off as 'older' than they actually are, I've even seen Tipex used in passports.

Whilst some people might think 'it's done now', this ear cropping is obviously quite desirable in some circles, and as with tail docking, if the breed always looks like that, then people start to think of it as 'normal'. We need tighter legislation on this to protect future dogs and websites like Pets4homes need to ban images of cropped ears.

I'm not sure what you can do about it, apart from possibly reporting to RSPCA. Very little point discussing it with them, I'd be giving them a wide berth if I was you.

QuestionEverythingOrBeASheep · 24/03/2021 15:26

@Easterbunnygettingready

Report to the police. And rspca. It is an offence.

And some bastard should be held accountable...

And should have a heavy fine and banned from owning a dog.

Report to the RSPCA: Ear cropping is illegal in England and Wales, under Section 5 of the Animal Welfare Act 2006.

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