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12yo dog messing in the house

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40somethingJBJ · 18/11/2020 10:54

Ddog has never 100% “got” housetraining - she doesn’t ever ask to go out if she needs to; she’ll just lay there panting until I notice she’s not happy, but she’s always been able to hold it for hours and hours if the mood takes her (ie it’s bad weather and she doesn’t want to get her feet wet, or we’re somewhere she can’t go off her lead, as she will not toilet on the lead ever). She has slight bladder incontinence, dating back to when she was speyed, but that’s generally when she’s asleep, and she’s been on medication for 6 years which have almost stopped this.

Recently, she’s been messing in the house overnight. Never diarrhoea and never when I’m downstairs with her (I often sleep on the sofa as my disability means I frequently can’t make the stairs). Always on either a rug or doormat (front or back door, she’s not picky), and she always without fail treads in it and walks it through the entire downstairs of the house.

I’ve tried feeding her earlier, setting an alarm for a couple of hours after I’ve gone to bed to come and let her out (she’s either already done it, or she goes out, turns round and stands at the back door until I let her in, then shits on the floor half an hour later). She’s been vet checked and she’s in fabulous health for her age - no problems at all.

She’s always been strange with her toiletting habits - we once went on holiday to a place where there was livestock, so I couldn’t let her off the lead other than in the small, paced courtyard, which wasn’t good enough to wee in so she went for 24 hours without going. She also gets into bad habits very, very quickly. I’ve always said give her an inch and she’ll take 100 miles! She’s part collie and very bright but slightly neurotic, bless her.

So I feel this new behaviour is possibly a habit she’s got into and I’m struggling to get her out of it. I’m losing the plot to be honest, as, as previously mentioned, I’m physically disabled, and having to scrub the entire downstairs pretty much every morning really isn’t working for me!

She gets plenty of exercise, access to the garden regularly, is fed twice a day, the last time being about 5 hours before bedtime, and she always gets let out very last thing. Like I say, it only ever happens when I’m not downstairs, and generally pretty soon after I go up. She doesn’t come upstairs, but there’s no doors closed so she could do if she wanted, she just chooses not to.

Any ideas please? It’s worse than having a blooming puppy!

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AiryFairyMum · 18/11/2020 10:56

If you go upstairs, could you make her go up with you? If there are no doors, a baby gate, maybe?

40somethingJBJ · 18/11/2020 11:02

She won’t settle upstairs at all, she’s just not comfortable, never has been. Plus, it’s all carpeted up there so would be a bigger problem if she did decide to poop everywhere!

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Namechangedforthisoct2 · 18/11/2020 11:03

Crate training her? Or box her in at night into a corner. You can do it at any age and might just be enough to break the habit

iamtheoneandonlyyy · 18/11/2020 11:04

I'd get the vet to check her over. My old collie is neurotic as well bless her

soozeymcfloozey · 18/11/2020 11:06

Our old dog got like this when she was that age, the vet said it was some kind of degenerative condition in the back end (the one that eventually makes them go off their legs) and basically they can't feel when they need to go.

soozeymcfloozey · 18/11/2020 11:08

Good idea about boxing her in as well, they don't like to toilet near their bed so if you could pen her In at bedtime that might help (if it is a habit and not medical issue)

Ariela · 18/11/2020 11:17

Ours is a collie, similar age and has started the same only she barks to be let out - but it's like she's caught short even if I dive out of bed she's already pooed on the mat, luckily doesn't tread in it.
We take her out about 2-3 am now which tends to help. (not a good sleeper so often awake) . Also a lot of the time it's just when she gets up - so no hanging about in bed for me! if I can distract her we're OK.

40somethingJBJ · 18/11/2020 11:18

@iamtheoneandonlyyy

I'd get the vet to check her over. My old collie is neurotic as well bless her
I’ve already had her checked and she’s in great health for her age.

I really do feel it’s behavioural as she never, ever does it when I’m downstairs, and if it was medical then I would imagine it would happen all the time.

She was crate trained as a pup, so might have to introduce that again. Mind you, she used to crap in the crate and lay in it back then Grin

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Beamur · 18/11/2020 11:25

My dog (also part collie!) went through a phase the vet called inappropriate toileting. Also stress related. She kept doing something very similar, would poo in the night usually on a rug (which I got very fed up with cleaning (.
I'm afraid my technique was a little brusque. I obviously didn't tell her off as that would have zero effect and just make a nervous dog more scared.
I figured she could only poop if she had poop inside to do, so I started feeding her only once a day in the morning. I would give her a chew later in the day to occupy her, but she'd be walked before bedtime and there was no ammunition left in the tanks! She was a bit aghast at this change (very food motivated dog) but it was effective.
She's back on 2 meals a day now as she's getting on a bit (the joy when dinner was re-introduced) but it has broken the habit. She hasn't toileted inside again.

Tanfastic · 18/11/2020 11:33

I'm going through similar with my 14.5 year old. In great shape but I think he's slightly losing his marbles as he's turned into a bit of a kitchen shitter Confused.

What I've done is stop giving him breakfast. I used to just give him a very small handful of biscuits but now he just gets a small treat after he's taken his morning meds and that's it until teatime. I have also stopped giving any type of human food. I used to regularly let him finish our leftovers. Not anymore. I've also tried to feed him a little earlier.

The biggest difference though is getting him straight out the door as soon as he's eaten and regularly throughout the day. There's only so much shitting a dog can do if you are feeding him once a day so by adopting these measures it seems to have worked.

Mine has only crapped in the kitchen once in the last three weeks and that was a day when I took my eye off the ball.

40somethingJBJ · 18/11/2020 11:41

I’ll try dropping her to one meal a day I think and see if that helps. I’m sure she’ll be suitably impressed!

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Tanfastic · 18/11/2020 11:41

Yeah mine was terribly miffed!

ahhanotheryear · 18/11/2020 11:45

We had this with a terrier, in the end we bought a huge crate, really huge and she had her bed in there and room to toilet as well. At least it kept the problem contained.

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