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Staffy and new kittens

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Vinnyinny · 12/11/2020 08:07

Hi, I'm wondering if anyone can help me. I have a 6 year old staffy and a 10 year old cat, and we have just brought two kittens home (yesterday). I mistakenly let the dog catch sight of them in the lounge last night and his reaction was really upsetting. He barked and cried and shook, and looked like he wanted to go for them.

He tolerates my other cat (they can sit together on the sofa, they just ignore each other really, but I wouldn't say they love each other).

I'm wondering if I've made a terrible mistake. I've had a shitty couple of years and finally feel ready to bring some new life into the house, and I really want this to go well. How do I integrate them safely?

They are currently upstairs in my bedroom and he is downstairs and calm.

I'm suffering with quite severe anxiety about it. My kids in particular are so thrilled, and it means a lot to me to be able to have them. But not at the expense of my dog's happiness.

He's such a lovely boy with me and the kids. Patient and soft, but he does have a strong prey instinct.

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PollyRoulson · 12/11/2020 16:32

Stolen from a staffi site:-

The most important thing for owners to know is that this adjustment is a process, not a one-time introduction. Care must be taken to introduce dogs and cats slowly, making the process as stress-free and pleasant as possible. Owners must then be prepared to manage their pets’ interactions for the next several weeks, if not longer.

While careful introductions are the best way to set everyone up for success, there is no guarantee that your cat and dog will become buddies. Some pets learn to tolerate each other, while others might attempt to cause each other harm. The outcome will depend both on the manner of the pets’ introduction and their individual personalities. The following steps can help to maximize your chance of long-term success.

Keep the pets separate for at least the first 3-4 days. Prevent any contact until your new pet has had his vet checkup and been cleared of illness. Some families confine their cat in a sanctuary room with the door closed, others confine each pet to a separate floor of their house, still others confine their dog in a finished basement. The goal is to allow the pets to get used to each other’s presence without face-to-face contact. Even if they can’t see each other, they can hear and smell each other.

While the pets are still separate, begin to feed them on opposite sides of a closed door. The idea is to teach them to associate the presence of the other pet with pleasant things, such as food. With each feeding, move their food bowls a little closer to the closed door; continue the process until each pet can eat calmly right next to the door.

Begin teaching your dog basic obedience cues, such as “sit” and “down”. Keep training sessions short, pleasant and rewarding for the dog.

When the pets can eat their food calmly right next to the door, begin face-to-face meetings. Keep the first few sessions short and calm. Keep the dog on a leash and let the cat come and go as she wishes. Do not restrain either pet in your arms, as injury could result (if either pet behaves aggressively). Ask the dog to sit and reward him with small, tasty treats for calm behavior; toss treats to the cat as well. If either pet demonstrates aggression, calmly distract and redirect them: toss a toy for the cat to lure her from the room, call the dog’s name and reward his attention. Return the pets to their confinement areas.

Repeat these face-to-face sessions daily, saving the pets’ favorite treats for when they are together. If the cat attempts to leave the room, allow her to do so, and do not let the dog chase her. Try to end each session before either pet shows stress or aggression. (Conduct these “meet and greets” in common areas of the house; do not use either pet’s sanctuary room.)

When both animals appear to be getting along well, allow them loose in the room together, keeping the dog’s leash attached and dragging on the floor. (This will allow you to step on it and prevent the dog from chasing the cat if he gets excited.) If tension erupts between them, go back to the earlier introduction steps and repeat the process. Make sure the cat has access to a dog-proofed sanctuary at all times, complete with a litter box. Continue to separate the pets when you are not there to supervise.

If one aspect of this process bears repeating, it’s that first impressions matter: introduce your pets slowly and carefully to maximize the chance of long-term success. Good luck!

Vinnyinny · 12/11/2020 17:04

Thank you for all your messages, and for taking the time to respond. My dog has never hurt another animal, but I realise that he also hasn't spent time around any kittens before. His reaction was worse than I thought it would be. I was confident that it would be ok. But I think I'm pushing my luck with this. And it's not fair on him. I love my dog, but I feel he does need protecting from himself sometimes. He's a rescue and quite anxious. It's helped me to see that this isn't the right time. So I will try to find a way to return them before anyone gets attached. It's heartbreaking. But it's my own fault.

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Cailleach · 12/11/2020 17:49

Vinnyinny, you are doing absolutely the right thing...the mature, responsible, sensible thing. My heart sank when I read your post, but now I feel enormously relieved having read your update, as will you, eventually. You have made a mistake but an innocent one, but keeping the kittens would be a much worse mistake...imaging living with the anxiety of never knowing if your dog will turn on them at any time.

A dog is never evil - personally I love staffies, and will probably end up with one of them, or perhaps a lurcher or greyhound breed when and if I ever retire. But I also love and currently keep a cat, but never in a million years would I introduce a terrier or sighthound to our household whilst she is alive.

Hunting dogs are what we have bred them to be - hunters with strong prey drives. I would never get a house rabbit, or rat or mouse or hamster, as our cat also - surprise! - has a strong prey drive and that would inevitably end in disaster.

Bless you for your wisdom - it's a hard lesson to learn but better this way than the harder road.

X

C

MrsJunglelow · 12/11/2020 18:07

I have to be very careful with my wording here because any dog imo is a risk to a small kitten.
My dog was exactly the same and like you I thought I had made a terrible, terrible mistake.
Mine shook, whined, drooled etc.

I watched like a hawk and she was very sternly told off and put outside for trying to chase etc and rewarded for not chasing/fixating.

The two are fine now but I think it always has to be considered that you are mixing a larger predator with a small prey animal.
Without wanting to sound in any way discriminatory towards the breed, I think the fact staffies are terriers and mine is a collie (so not bred to kill) is relevant.

I’d be very, very careful

Vinnyinny · 12/11/2020 21:13

@Cailleach thank you. Your words gave me strength and I returned them to the very lovely lady who sold them to me this evening. And the relief is immense. My dog is curled up next to me snoring as we speak, and I know I've protected both him and the kittens from at best a difficult and limited existence, and at worst a horrific incident. My kids are sad tonight, and so am I. But I'm grateful for the support, and I've made the right decision.

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Cailleach · 12/11/2020 21:16

You've done the right thing... It's sad but for the best. Less stress all round - much better.

Take it steady x

ThroughThickAndThin01 · 12/11/2020 21:23

The best outcome OP. He could easily have hurt and killed them, and that would be a big burden for him if the kids were distraught by it. My Labrador has killed several squirrels/rabbits which is so so distressing. Another much loved family pet would be just horrendous.

Orkneys · 13/11/2020 19:41

Talk about terrifying the OP. My old staff was here before my kitten and guess what my cat is still alive 😮 even after the dog.

Poor staff made out to be a monster you all should be ashamed of yourselves.

TeddyIsaHe · 13/11/2020 20:29

@Orkneys

Talk about terrifying the OP. My old staff was here before my kitten and guess what my cat is still alive 😮 even after the dog.

Poor staff made out to be a monster you all should be ashamed of yourselves.

Oh stop being so dramatic fgs.

The dog was showing clear aggression signals. Those kittens are actual lives, and deserve to live in a safe environment where they’re not terrified every moment. Op also deserves go enjoy her animals and not be panicking constantly.

We get it, you love staffies. As I said before, it’s nothing to do with the breed, it’s the dog’s reaction. And there are 2 innocent lives involved that need to be protected.

AlwaysLatte · 13/11/2020 20:40

Eek, there's a reason for the expression 'fight like cat and dog'. I'd love to have a cat but my dog (cavalier King Charles) would chase a kitten. Maybe a full grown, feisty hissy cat but I'd be really worried about a kitten.

Betty94 · 13/11/2020 20:50

@Orkneys

Talk about terrifying the OP. My old staff was here before my kitten and guess what my cat is still alive 😮 even after the dog.

Poor staff made out to be a monster you all should be ashamed of yourselves.

Are you okay?

The op spoke about a dog acting aggressively towards the kittens, it doesn't matter what breed the dog is the advice would be the same as a kitten doesn't really stand much of a chance against a fully grown dog.

It doesn't matter the breed, like you've said I have know staffies to co live happily with cats, I've known another staffy rip a cat to pieces (it lived but it only has three legs now) I don't discriminate against dogs, I don't believe there's any bad dogs but my advice would have been the same if op said any breed of dog as it was clear the dog was acting aggressively.

Vinnyinny · 14/11/2020 09:18

Thank you everyone. This thread has been so helpful. I have grown up around cats and dogs and added kittens/puppies and never had any issues, so I felt shocked and saddened by his distress at the sight of them. But I made the right decision. I would have been very anxious every day that he would hurt them. I take my responsibility as a pet owner very seriously. It would have put him under enormous strain to have to put up with them, and they would not have been able to run around freely. Perhaps I was naive. But it's lesson learned.

Staffies are awesome dogs. He is no exception. He's fantastic with me and my kids, and I owe him a decent life.

Thanks again

Staffy and new kittens
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Janleverton · 14/11/2020 09:22

The cat was, I assume, in your house before the dog arrived - given their ages. An established entity. Might be a way of seeing how the relationship between the dog and the established cat and the dog and the new kittens may be very different.

I would rehome the kittens ASAP.

Janleverton · 14/11/2020 09:23

Sorry - posted without seeing your update. I think you’ve made the right call. I’ve known some lovely soppy staffies, and the last thing you want is for your relationship with him as your existing and lovely companion is for him to injure the cats.

vanillandhoney · 14/11/2020 11:48

The op spoke about a dog acting aggressively towards the kittens, it doesn't matter what breed the dog is the advice would be the same as a kitten doesn't really stand much of a chance against a fully grown dog.

She didn't even introduce them! Any animal is going to be wary when a new pet is brought into the home - that doesn't mean he or she is going to be aggressive or dangerous.

Vinnyinny · 14/11/2020 14:15

I didn't need to introduce them further. He caught a glimpse of them and was very distressed. He cried and barked and shook. He tried desperately to get to them and was hard to restrain. When I took him out of the room (we were in the doorway) he was crying and barking and scratching at the door. He began to pant and was very hot and stressed. It took a while for him to calm down. If I hadn't been there, he would have tried to get to them. If they hadn't been in a crate, he would have killed them. I feel sure of it. I really wanted it to work. I feel awful that it didn't, and so so guilty for putting my kids through it.

I suffer with anxiety, and this whole thing has really flared it up.

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Betty94 · 14/11/2020 14:49

@Vinnyinny

I didn't need to introduce them further. He caught a glimpse of them and was very distressed. He cried and barked and shook. He tried desperately to get to them and was hard to restrain. When I took him out of the room (we were in the doorway) he was crying and barking and scratching at the door. He began to pant and was very hot and stressed. It took a while for him to calm down. If I hadn't been there, he would have tried to get to them. If they hadn't been in a crate, he would have killed them. I feel sure of it. I really wanted it to work. I feel awful that it didn't, and so so guilty for putting my kids through it.

I suffer with anxiety, and this whole thing has really flared it up.

You've done the right thing, mistakes happen and I know it's upsetting but no harm done, they've gone back and I'm sure they'll find amazing homes and your very cute dog (love him already from the picture 😂) will be happy and settled.

When we rescued a kitten from the side of the road I didn't know how my spaniel and pug would react (wasn't too worried about the pug) but like I mentioned earlier he was so scared of her, he's quite big and he'd hide under the table of the kitten was around, he's so soft 😂 but he'll happily try and go for birds so I don't know what he thinks the difference is - the cats show the dogs whose boss and I'm not worried at all but I wouldn't have wanted to be in the position of needing to keep them separate all of the time which is what you may need to have done.

I know it's made you quite anxious but like said no harm done, everyone's alive and happy x

Orkneys · 17/11/2020 08:59

I'm been dramatic Grin a thread with panic stricken people and I'm the dramatic one Confused

Funf · 17/11/2020 10:00

We have had various terriers, current one is a lovely fluff ball but a pure hunter, she will have anything furry even twice her size she wants to have a go, its just in them no amount of training can guarantee its removal. But this was explained to us when we bought her, its the first dog I bought that came with lessons in how to remove her from a Rabbit hole etc

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