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Dog attack

21 replies

Cabinfever10 · 23/10/2020 17:27

I was walking my ddog (a Huskie) on her lead this morning when another bigger dog (alsation cross) came charging across the field and viciously attacked my dog she has multiple puncture wounds deep enough to need stitches and has to stay at the vets overnight. So I called the dog warden and reported the attack. I had managed to get a photo of the dog and owner and another dog walker knew her name so I gave all the information to the dog warden.
I've just had a visit from the police wanting a statement, which I gave only to be told that the dog has a record and it already was under a control order (not sure what that means) and now I'm worried that the other dog will be put down.
Does anyone know if that's likely to happen or will the owner (who i blame completely) be prosecuted? The police wouldn't say and I really don't want to be the reason that a dog gets put down

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MadeForThis · 23/10/2020 17:33

If the dog gets put down it won't be your fault. It will be the owners lack of responsible care of the dog.

Aquamarine1029 · 23/10/2020 17:35

That dog should be put down if it's dangerous, and it clearly is. Next time it could be a child attacked and maimed or even killed. This is not your fault or responsibility.

PollyRoulson · 23/10/2020 17:37

Who used the term dog control order. They do not exist any more but have been replaced by Public Spaces Protection Orders.

Are you sure they said dog control order?

PollyRoulson · 23/10/2020 17:38

If it is a PSPO highly unlikely the dog will be pts. Owners may be fined though

PollyRoulson · 23/10/2020 17:39

PSPO generally means the dog has to be kept on a lead

PollyRoulson · 23/10/2020 17:41

Sorry also meant to say I am really sorry about your dog and hope they get better soon.

Cabinfever10 · 23/10/2020 17:43

Thanks for your comments it was the pc who said that the dog was under a control order, we are in Scotland if that makes any difference.

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ArcherDog · 23/10/2020 17:49

It won’t be a PSPO they are put on ‘places’ not ‘people/dogs’.

Its probably a Community Protection Order, or some people still call the restrictions ‘dog control orders’

It basically means the owners have had a warning and the dog should have been on a lead or muzzled. It obviously wasn’t so they have breached it.

The penalty would usually be a fine, or potentially taken to court. The dog could be destroyed.

Either way, it’s not your fault and not your decision.
What if the next dog is smaller and he punctured a vital organ?

WaltzingBetty · 23/10/2020 17:51

It looks like Dog control notices do exist in Scotland:

Where an allegation of a breach of a DCN occurs, this could amount to a criminal offence and it can be reported to the COPFS for consideration to be given as to whether a prosecution or other non-court action is appropriate. On conviction the accused would be liable on summary conviction to a fine not exceeding level 3 on the standard scale (currently £1,000).
Following a conviction the court may also make an order to disqualify a person from owning, or keeping a dog for any period as the courts think fit. In cases where the court has decided that the dog is dangerous, it may make an order for the dog
‟s destruction. The court may discharge the DCN and impose a requirement that the proper person should be subject to a further DCN.
https://www.parliament.scot/S5PubliccAudit/General%20Documents/ControloffDogs--jointprotocolldocumentassof66May20166_Web.pdf

What happens to the dog will depend on how it is assessed going forwards but regardless this is NOT your fault. It's the owner's responsibility to control their dog. Not yours to misreport/non-report a crime. Your poor dog has suffered and next time it could be a more severe injury or death

ArcherDog · 23/10/2020 17:54

Public Space Protection Orders are not put on individual people. They are put on a place ie in this specific park all dogs must be kept on a lead. In this area you can only walk 4 dogs at a time.
(They are not specific to dogs, could be ‘in this town centre you cannot drink school after midnight’ etc)

Community Protection Notices are served on a specific person/dog - this dog must be on a lead or muzzled when in public. This dog must be neutered. This dog must not be walked in X park. The person must attend training session with this dog.

It is much more likely it was a CPN or a CPWarning.

Cabinfever10 · 23/10/2020 18:11

Thanks @WaltzingBetty that makes more sense. Deep down i know that this dog is dangerous and how much worse it could of been, I just hate the fact that an animal could be killed because of its piece of crap owner

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PollyRoulson · 23/10/2020 19:13

@ArcherDog

It won’t be a PSPO they are put on ‘places’ not ‘people/dogs’.

Its probably a Community Protection Order, or some people still call the restrictions ‘dog control orders’

It basically means the owners have had a warning and the dog should have been on a lead or muzzled. It obviously wasn’t so they have breached it.

The penalty would usually be a fine, or potentially taken to court. The dog could be destroyed.

Either way, it’s not your fault and not your decision.
What if the next dog is smaller and he punctured a vital organ?

It WILL be a pspo Here
PollyRoulson · 23/10/2020 19:18

Not saying in this case is was a pspo but they are put on dogs and areas.

If it was a cpn there is a possibility of the dog being pts but very very rare for this to happen on a dog on dog attack. However without knowing previous history and breach it is impossible to say.

Sally872 · 23/10/2020 19:21

The owner is the reason of dog gets put down. While it is sad you have probably prevented another dog being injured/killed by this dog. Yes it is the owners fault, but they are not taking responsibility.

Sally872 · 23/10/2020 19:22

Hope your dog is ok. Flowers

Floralnomad · 23/10/2020 19:27

Hope your dog is ok ,and why I understand your sentiment that it’s not the other dogs fault that it has a crap owner just think what damage it could do in the future if it attacked a smaller dog or one with less hair than I assume your husky has .

MsAdoraBelleDearheartVonLipwig · 23/10/2020 20:01

Whilst people argue about the semantics of the order Hmm no, it will not be your fault if this owner has let their dog become dangerously out of control. You could however be responsible for saving the life of the next dog it might have attacked. Or small child. Flowers

WaltzingBetty · 23/10/2020 20:24

It WILL be a pspo <a class="break-all" href="http://go.mumsnet.com/?xs=1&id=470X1554755&url=www.gov.uk/control-dog-public/public-spaces-protection-orders" target="_blank">Heree*
Well it won't be, as that link discusses legislation in England and Wakes. Not Scotland where the OP has clearly said she's located

ArcherDog · 23/10/2020 20:50

@PollyRoulson No it won’t. The PSPO covers an area. It’s not used to target specific individuals.
So in the area the PSPO covers all dogs could have to be kept on a lead, put on lead if asked by an authorised officer, limit numbers of dogs walked etc.

But as soon as a person/dog leaves the specific area that the PSPO covers, it doesn’t have to abide by those rules.

A CPN or dog control order puts the conditions on a specific person/dog.

MrsJunglelow · 24/10/2020 09:06

Personally, I wouldn’t feel guilty if it gets PTS.
Hardly your fault it is dangerous and not under control.
From the sounds of it, it could have easily killed your dog, or someone else’s.

Sitdowncupoftea · 25/10/2020 00:19

At least your dog is OK. I would not feel guilty the other owner should not have had their dog off leash if it was known the be dangerous. What if your dog had not survived would you feel the same. Sorry but the other dog is a ticking time bomb and should be PTS or permanently on leash and muzzled when out in public.

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