Would you let your dog pee on other people's plants and grass ?

[VivaMiltonKeynes]

We live in a new estate where the houses' gardens at the front are open - no fences - grass and then your border with plants against the wall of your house . It seems that some people think it is OK to walk their dog on these extendable leads and let it pee on people's plants and grass . I can possibly see the grass bit at a push but the plants against the wall of the house ? People pay for these themselves and maintain them . There are several dog friendly areas where they could do this and all very close . I have seen these nice cast iron signs with a dog peeing and the word No on it . What are your thoughts about seeing something like this in someone's plants - would it possibly make you even more determined to let your dog pee ?

I don’t let dogs walk on other people’s gardens, they do sometimes cock a leg from the pavement onto gardens... that’s quite hard to stop when it’s a dog you haven’t housetrained to start with, you can try and drag them away, but tbh it makes more mess

With dogs I’ve housetrained - you can teach them a command to pee, combine that with not loitering when they’re most likely to pee where you don’t want them to and walking to heel and it’s pretty rare though.

But with fosters they don’t usually walk that well when they arrive and I don’t know any of their commands, they don’t know any of the noises I’d make to stop them... so it happens occasionally

Also though, if I’m using an extendable leaf for any reason, I either swap it out on the pavement or have it locked at normal lead length anyway.

No I would not let my dog wee on other people's garden.

This is a bit of a thing with me. My dogs pee and poo on our land. When we go out for exercise it is exercise not a wee/poo fest.

I hate seeing dog poo and dog wee out and about. My dogs, so it is my responsiblility to clear it up. If 90% of it is done on my property that job is much easier.

It is extremely easy to train a dog to wee and poo on command and in a specific location.

It is extremely easy to train a dog to wee and poo on command and in a specific location

No it isn't, not with all dogs.

Give me a dog and I can sort it Eckhart It may be time consuming but it is pretty straightforward.

How the hell do you get a dog to poo on command? How do you get any living thing to poo on command? I can't poo on command and I'd like to think in reasonably intelligent 🤔 😅

@Speckledhen617

How the hell do you get a dog to poo on command? How do you get any living thing to poo on command? I can't poo on command and I'd like to think in reasonably intelligent 🤔 😅

Well it won’t work if they don’t need to go at all, lol

But, dogs tend to have mealtimes, so it’s fairly easy to know when they’ll need the toilet, you attach a command and reward and then eventually reverse the order, so you’re saying the word first.... and eventually they’ll go when you tell them.

It’s fairly easy to do with puppies, not too complicated with problem free adult dogs.

Can be almost impossible with some dogs though, I fostered a dog who didn’t like you to be watching when he went, was scared of you giving him food and got quite stressed in general if you tried doing any purposeful training with him.

So being comfortable around us and food was about as far as we got in 5 months... I’d tbh never even have tried that with him, no matter how long we’d have had him.

Well it won’t work if they don’t need to go at all, lol

I don't know, this is mumsnet after all. I'm sure someone will be along in a minute with a dog who shits whenever it's told to. Meanwhile the rest of us mere mortals are shamefully picking up the poo off someone's drive whilst dragging their still-shitting dog onto the pavement. (Maybe that's just me )

Dogs are very much creatures of habit in rl (not sure on mns). Most dog owners will tell you how many times a day their dog will poo. So it really is not rocket science to associate pooing to a command or when they do their poos. Dogs fed a decent diet will be pretty predictable most of the time. They also learn to hold their wee but a decent owner will obvioulsy give them many opportunities to wee.

All assistance dogs will be trained this way. Sheep dogs will not stop in the middle of herding to have a poo. Search and rescue dogs will go before they work and will not pull of a search for a poo. Police dogs will not stop a track to have a poo, drug dogs will not pull of a scent to have a poo.

Well it won’t work if they don’t need to go at all, lol you will find some dogs will squat or raise a leg but not wee if they do not want to just to shut you up

“you will find some dogs will squat or raise a leg but not wee if they do not want to just to shut you up”

Oh yeah they’ll mime it, lol, but I more meant obviously you can’t make a dog produce something that isn’t there... it’s more of a, here if you’re about to need the toilet in the next wee while, now is a good time kind of thing, rather than you will go whether you need or not.

Though I’ve always found they can usually manage an extra pee tbh.

@PollyRoulson Assistance dogs are chosen by breed for their trainability. Even so, many of them do not make it successfully through the full training requirements because there's always some who for some reason or other will not obey certain commands. Once you have trained all the dogs in the world to crap on your command, I will believe your claim; but until then, I guess neither of us will know.

For those saying that a dog can't manufacture the need to squat - they can. Dogs are able to decide that now is the time, unless they are empty. They're not like us - they don't have to wait for nature to call on them. They're more like we are with pee. If you've got a little bit, you can expel it.

My dog really hates pooing in the garden so I take him round the block for pooing. He will also poo more when he's excited.

He does prefer to point the gutter though which I encourage

Poo in the gutter. He doesn't do bricklaying.

eckhart no need for the angst and aggression this is just a thread about poo . Out of interest what dogs do you have to make you so against the claim?

I would like to bet no assistance dogs have failed to make the grade due to lack of ability to get the weeing and pooing sorted. Unless they had a medical issue.

Could you put in a short picket fence, about 1 foot high?

Though I’ve always found they can usually manage an extra pee tbh totally agree they usually manage to squeeze out a wee at any time.

PollyRoulson- I love to give you YlvaDog#3 to teach to go on command! (YlvaDog#1&2 can, I no stranger to the teachings...) She has just adopted a patch of grass outside our house (council owned) that's where she goes, end of. You can refuse to take her there... And yes she will eventually go by my front door... because that is the way to her "patch" . You can take her on a 4/5 hour hike or leave her in the garden all day, she will not go once! But happily go on her patch at first opportunity.
She is a creature of habit for sure, but trying to break that cycle is beyond cruel!

@PollyRoulson There's no angst and aggression, I just don't believe you.

I don't let my dog pee on anyone's house, or garden or fence. Grass is hard to avoid like others said but plants and walls aren't at all.

If fences aren't allowed, could you at least line the border with stones or something to make the definition clear?

Or maybe put some long sticks in the ground to emulate a fence, just make sure they won't hurt the dog in any way, but it might deter them if they are spaced close enough to each other.

Ylvamoon if you really did want to change the postion your dog weed it is possible and actually easy but why would you? You have a dog that has trained themselves to wee in one location so will not wee in an inappropriate place as the OP had asked.

PollyRoulson - please share your method on here... others might want to try as well!

I use a cue for my dogs to go, but it’s not a case of making them go. In the past I have used it to condition them to only going in one part of our garden, but these days tend to only use it to cue that now would be a good place/time ‘if they need to go’. It’s useful before long car journeys or before visiting friends. Mine are fairly predictable though, so I can usually time things right to fit in with their normal routine. It’s never going to be as easy with rescue/foster dogs with ingrained habits and/or anxieties and personally, I’ve never tried teaching it to an adult dog. I would also imagine it may be harder with, for example, some toy breeds that can take longer to house train as well.

With the best will in the world, I have still had occasions when, for example, mine have suddenly developed an upset stomach just as we’ve been walking past a very prim elderly lady’s house. Not on her drive, but on the part of the pavement between her house and the road. Ended up using half a dozen poo bags, a 500ml bottle of water and two whole packs of tissues attempting to clear it up effectively. Ultimately, you can’t fight nature and accidents will happen. Same with puppies, rescue dogs, fosters etc, it’s not like you can avoid taking them out while they’re learning, it’s a process that takes time and ultimately, hopefully, if you set them up for success and they get it right more often then wrong, it’s a useful thing to be able to do.

YlvamoonIts what you are all doing I guess. There is nothing clever about it and certainly not rocket science. Just basic puppy training start at day one. If doing it with an older dog same principle applies but you do not have to go out so often

Tape out an area and always take your dog to wee or poo in the same place. When they wee or poo give the command word. Praise then treat at end. Important to praise first so the dog does not rush the wee or look for reward before they have finished.

Some dogs like to be outside so if this is the case continue to stay outside so wee does not stop end of good time outside. wee in right place - get to stay out and play longer. If they do wee in wrong place ignore but go in.

Some dogs hate being outside eg little dogs in the cold and wet so as soon as they have finished take them inside and treat inside - wee in right place go in quick. if the wee in wrong place ignore but stay out longer.

Goes without saying that dogs should be given a lot of opportunities to succeed and few opportunities to fail.

This Kikopup video is a helpful basic guide.

PollyRoulson 🤣🤣🤣 believe me, I tried that! How do you think YlvaDog#1&2 learned to go on command?
She is a rescue... and yes, I could break the cycle, but it would be cruel as she is a master in "holding on"!