Distressed puppy

[Jessie40]

We've had a puppy for the past 3 weeks and she's still not settled at night in her crate. We've tried leaving the tv on, pulling the curtains.
Prefer her to stay in the crate if possible as we have an older dog. But we don't want her to be distressed.

If anyone’s seen Disney’s Lady and the Tramp and “just one night” that was me

@ItsSpittingEverybodyIn my puppy was never “little”! She’s a giant breed. I can’t carry her up the stairs and going up and down stairs as a baby puppy would cause damage to her growth plates.
So a bed on the floor it was!
Big dog no longer needs a crate. Puppy has a big pen. Just to make sure she doesn’t chew anything that causes the house to burn down!
She will bark at me if she’s tired and I’ve closed the door and she can’t get in!

Can you put the crate in your room at night?
She’s a frightened baby.

That’s exactly my point though wolfie, you couldn’t do something and you had a good reason for that, some other people have similar reasons for not sleeping next to a crate.

@wolfiefan 😂I'd still have had them in with me, still a baby, you are superdogmum sleeping on the floor!

Ahhh I see about the carrying though 🙄

@greentreesdream FFS it isn’t about a crate. The OP said they were using one. I said they needed to sleep near it. So sleep near the dog. If they choose to have the dog in bed with them then that’s totally up to them. But they can’t leave a puppy in one room, distressed and in a crate while they go up to bed.
It seems like you’re deliberately trying to miss the point.
@ItsSpittingEverybodyIn I did have a mattress on the floor and a sleeping bag too! It just meant we all got some sleep and pup wasn’t ever left to be distressed. It was bloody tiring though. But pups often are.

No I’m not wolfie, I’m saying that what you ordered the OP to do - and “do this or you shouldn’t havea dog” IS an order - is not practical for everybody, just as it isn’t possible for you because you have a giant breed.

You can't leave a puppy on it's own downstairs distressed, time to move the crate upstairs.

Ours slept in her crate next to our bed for the first three months. One night, just as I was about to take the crate upstairs, she got into it, settled down and went to sleep. Basically she chose when to sleep alone. She had a hot water bottle for the first month or so and that helped.

@greentreesdream I said the pup couldn’t be left alone overnight if it was upset. That is true.
You must be hard of reading.

Your tone is awful, Wolfie.

Thankfully green you don’t dictate tone on here.
Trying to type on a phone. Have fibromyalgia. PAIN. Whilst being attacked by someone who refuses to read what I have ACTUALLY written.
Anyway off to put the doggies to bed. Where I know they will sleep happily. Because I didn’t leave them to cry when they were pups. And that’s the important thing.
Not “tone”.

I’m not attacking you. I’m telling you your tone is awful. You accuse people of not reading your posts, or if not being able to read, you immediately become aggressive when someone mildly disagrees with you.

I am discussing this with you because I think you genuinely do not realise just how you come across. I do think there is a sincere desire to uphold high standards of dog ownership. But this is not a narrow field. Experts will disagree and as your post over the page proves, what is suitable for a giant breed won’t work for a Bichon Frise.

I am perfectly able to read and I happen to disagree with you that sleeping next to a crate for weeks is in any way a sensible solution to this problem, and I think many would agree and this does not mean we are saying leave the dog alone to cry, or makes us fundamentally unsuited to dog ownership.

Puppies need their pack at night

My pup is in the kitchen and has been since day one. I think we have been lucky. He’s in a nice routine, same every night. Little walk in the garden (if tiny) or down the road if bigger for a wee. Quiet talking and a biscuit when home. A cuddle in His bed ( didn’t crate), he’s got his teddies and night night and close stair gate. I just think if you start taking him to bed with you you’ll regret it ... fur, snuffly noises and figeting and you won’t break the habit.

*That article linked is hilarious.

It seems to sum up to don't use a crate because you will abuse it and leave the dog in there for hours at a time. Instead confine the dog to a small area 3 feet by 3 feet... Which is about the size of a crate!*

The article suggests starting off with a small area and gradually increasing it. Not something you can really do with a cage is it...?

@greentrees couldn't agree with you more. Wolfie is awful on this board a lot of the time and simply won't be told she's awful. What can you do? No help to anyone and she's like the new Valhalla if anyone is ancient enough to remember her - thankfully she's got banned though in the end

Put something that smells of you in the crate. We used a cardigan. Worked immediately!

@Medievalist

*That article linked is hilarious.

It seems to sum up to don't use a crate because you will abuse it and leave the dog in there for hours at a time. Instead confine the dog to a small area 3 feet by 3 feet... Which is about the size of a crate!*

The article suggests starting off with a small area and gradually increasing it. Not something you can really do with a cage is it...?

No it's not but the article tries to pitch a moral argument against crates which falls down when it suggests using the same thing via a different means (a small pen).

I have no issue at all with it suggesting another way, or even coming up with a sound moral argument against crates. I just find the argument flawed (don't use crates because you'll abuse them) and it's alternative to be hypocritical.

WowI only wanted some tips if anyone had any.
We had slept with her for well over a week she still cried.We tried all the things we had read about... also not going in a crate.
We don't agree with a dogs on human beds. My older dog is happy on her own bed.
As it turns out for the past 3 nights she has slept happily so I guess it was just a bit more time she needed.