Can anyone id this dog breed?

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Thinking it's a whippet but not sure ......?

IMO that paper isn't all it's cracked up to be.

1. Dog breed DNA results are notoriously unreliable, especially when you get down to the smaller %s.
2. If you actually dig all the way down into the paper to Table 7, you find that 87/114 dogs with 25% or more pit bull DNA were correctly ID'ed by staff, and only 4/270 dogs with less than 25% pit bull DNA were wrongly identified as being part-pit (and those 4 dogs' DNA tests indicated that they were part boxer or part rottie - related breeds). In other words, around 75% of the time, the shelter staff were right about whether a dog was part pit-bull or not.

I'd agree that at the 25% level it gets tricky, but with a lot of dogs that are 50/50 it's often fairly obvious. I met a dog yesterday and my assumption was GSP x Lab - yep. I saw a cocker at the weekend, but it was a bit too big and a bit too stocky - it didn't look 100% cocker. Because, as I found out, it wasn't: there was springer and lab some way back (the owner was the breeder of the line, so he knew).

As for the brindle genetics, those of you who enjoy such things could waste happy hours on this website.

Bloody hell grumpy, my brain doesn't start functioning until at least 10am. Impressive 👍

Pointer cross

Bull lurcher IMO

It's a crossbreed, looks like a bull breed lurcher type. It's not a Pointer cross imo. Looking at other photos of it some type of Whippet/Greyhound/Bull breed cross is most likely.

If I had to guess, I would say that looks like a bull breed of some sort crossed with a greyhound or whippet.
So a bull lurcher.

userxx,

This is a brindle whippet, why they do look similar, a pure whippet is much finer with a pointier head.

The dog in the pic is a crossbreed, could be a number of things including whippet cross, bull lurcher cross, might even have a dash of Pointer in there, but it's a crossbreed.

Bull lurcher, or a pointer cross.

It's not a pointer cross. Pointers carry KK (dominant black, which can be over-ridden by some things like liver, despite the name) but brindle is recessive to KK. None of the pointing breeds carry brindle. A pointer will pass on one copy of K and no brindle. So an F1 pointer cross can't be brindle.

The head's wrong for a pointer, anyway.

It’s a bull lurcher

Grumpy please leave on the dog nerd hat! It’s fascinating!!

Bull lurcher. My lurcher often gets mistaken for a pointer cross. He stands like a pointer

@GrumpyMiddleAgedWoman - I love the nerdy insight

possibly a whippet cross....maybe crossed with a staffy or greyhound

I once saw Dr Clive whats-his-face talk about that study. I didn't realise it was him till I clicked the linked and it sounded familier.

As I recall, he agreed with grumpy that DNA testing had severe limitations and I seem to recall his students also did similar tests where they know the dog's parentage from the original owner but asked rescue workers who didn't know it to guess and they got it wrong more than they got it right. Obviously that also has many limitations. But that was about 4 years ago now and my poor old brain cannot remember any more...

Not for the first time, I wish I'd made notes!

Bull lurcher for sure

There is no pointer in that mix. Staffy cross?

Looks like a bull lurcher to me. Definitely a bull head with the whippet/greyhound deep chest. Much too stocky and not pointy nosed enough to be purebred sighthound.

Bull lurchers are brill might even be saluki in mix for those ears.

I'm glad you guys enjoy the dog-nerding as my DC tend to roll their eyes and mutter about mum waffling on again...

IME experience IDing the breeds in a first cross is usually not too hard - most people who have a lot to do with dogs will get at least one in the right ball-park (that is, they might say they think a dog is half German Wirehaired Pointer when it's in fact half Korthals Griffon, which looks vv similar and does exactly the same job) which if you're rehoming a dog is what you need to know (a dog with either of those breeds in the mix will almost certainly have high prey drive and a lot of brains and not be for the fainthearted). Similarly it doesn't really matter if a mutt if JRT X Norfolk or JRT X Border terrier - the key thing to ID is 'terrier'.

But when you get down to a dog like the one I saw the other day - mostly cocker with other gundogs some way back - it's much harder, but to an extent irrelevant. Only (counts on fingers) 12.5% of that dog wasn't cocker, and it dashed about like a cocker.

I'll shut up now. You can see why the DC get bored...

Nope. Still not bored!

Wolfie

@GrumpyMiddleAgedWoman NEVER take off the hat 💕

For those of you who wish to share in dog nerddery, I have just found this website:
on dog coat colour

That's my morning sorted out.