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Border collie, yes or no?

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CandyApple1995 · 27/02/2020 19:37

Do border collies make good family pets, yes or no? Would love to hear from people who own this breed, and why you would, or wouldn't recommend. Thanks 😊

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Salene · 29/02/2020 18:22

Not a family dog either needs to be a working dog or doing agility or something similar to keep their brains stimulated.

adaline · 29/02/2020 18:25

Not a family dog either

Totally untrue. Yes, they need stimulation but they can still be fabulous pets if you have the time and energy to dedicate to their needs. It's the same with any breed - research their needs and characteristics and make sure you can give them the lifestyle they need to be a happy, fulfilled dog.

Aloe6 · 29/02/2020 18:31

Not a family dog either needs to be a working dog or doing agility or something similar to keep their brains stimulated.

Rubbish. I grew up with BCs and they were the ultimate nanny dogs.

theendoftheendoftheend · 29/02/2020 18:42

I have a collie, she's a still a pup (nearly a year). I agree with pp that although they can keep going and going they really don't need to, they're a bit like a toddler that doesn't know when to stop so you need to tell them that's enough now and then they're quite happy to chill. If you try to wear your collie out you will make a rod for your own back.

I have 4 DC and honestly they are more then enough stimulation for her. She is wonderful with children, other dogs and people (although has a tendency to wet herself especially around men).

She's not good with cows, horses or cars (last 2 are a bigger worry). She does need time off her lead during walks.

Mine comes from a working line but would never had cut it as a sheep dog, she's clever but I wouldn't say she's super intelligent which might be why she doesn't seem prone to the anxiety or boredom you hear mentioned a lot. Also her eyesight isn't fantastic which is great as I can see things coming before she does. She is also easily distracted by a ball or stick which is handy on walks.

I think breeds can tell you a lot about how a dog might be, but even so the character of a dog within that breed will still vary massively.

Personally I love her, always had lurchers/whippets before who were lovely calm dogs at home but I love my collie.

She's short haired, she is a bit wiffy, wiffier then a lurcher/whippet but its fine and I am very sensitive to smell.

I do think it is important to stimulate/exercise but I again I thinks so importnat not to over do it, they do need their down time. Just because they can keep going and going really doesn't mean you should let them on a daily basis!

frostedviolets · 29/02/2020 18:54

Not a family dog either needs to be a working dog or doing agility or something similar to keep their brains stimulated

My border collie is of working lines.
Her parents, grandparents and the vast majority of her siblings were all working sheepdogs.

My collie sleeps virtually all day, she will even sleep through fireworks
She rarely barks.
When outside, she can go all day easily, there is no tiring her.
She has no behavioural problems aside from very mild dog reactivity (from other dogs attacking her) and even then, she tries to avoid other dogs, she doesn’t go looking for trouble.
She has never shown any aggression towards people whatsoever.
She loves children and lives with three including two under 5s.

She is an excellent family pet.

She would have been an outstanding working dog, she is high drive and used to herd our chickens with absolutely no prior training whatsoever, literally just tell her where you wanted them and she’d put them there.

She would be a terrible agility dog because high adrenaline exercises overstimulate her and stress her.

Agility and other high adrenaline exercises, fly ball for instance are no substitute for herding.

If you are careful to get a collie from good lines and you know how to manage their herding instinct and train them well they are outstanding family pets.

In the average family home you may run into problems but they are in no way unsuitable for family life if the new owner understands what they are getting themselves into.

CandyApple1995 · 29/02/2020 21:56

This is all really helpful information everyone, thankyou!

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jinxpixie · 29/02/2020 22:16

I think the thing with collies (well from the experience of the ones I have ) are that they do need their own time and own needs meet. I know all dogs do but collies have needs that sometimes do not fit into the average family household.

My labs will mooch along be pretty bomb proof with changes and visitors, long walks short walks new places, beaches, towns etc.

My collies would need to be introduced to new things,new situations with care. If their needs are not meet they go self employed and find usually unsociable things (to us) to do eg herding the children,guarding their owners,barking at the crows, and generally getting stressy.

As mentioned before they need calm enforced on them daily.

None of my collies smell horrid though -they smell fresh roses every day Smile

Benji13 · 29/02/2020 22:24

We have a rescue border collie cross who is 11 and has been the perfect family dog. His mum was a bc god knows what dad was and we had him from rescue aged 9 weeks when my ds2 was 7. He realty has been a joy. Great with kids cats other dogs and loves us all. He did need plenty of exercise in his early years but as long as had good walks was chilled. I would never consider a bc tbh we used to have a bearded collie when I was a teen and she was lovely but very high energy and nippy.
I’d go to a rescue and ask fur support in choosing the right dog for you.

Benji13 · 29/02/2020 22:28

Our Benjamin ❤️

Border collie, yes or no?
Lazydaisydaydream · 29/02/2020 22:28

We have a collie, he is a perfect family pet... But he is not a typical collie. He is a reject working dog, and the breeder was looking for someone who just wanted a pet rather than a working or agility dog as she knew he wouldn't be up to that.

He's definitely high energy and needs a lot of exercise, but when I see other collies around I notice a massive difference! He's much calmer and placid. I can see why the breeder knew he wouldn't be any good working sheep etc.

I'm not sure id ever get another collie now that I have a family, they are what I am used to as we always had them growing up but I think there are other breeds more suited to living In a family home with children.

GrumpyMiddleAgedWoman · 01/03/2020 08:43

I'm another one whose dog is not a massive fan of collies. He finds then very intimidating when they give eye. Once he knows them it's fine, but I think it's something Collie owners need to be aware of.

I think you have to handle them well to make good pets out of the working line ones. IME they can be nervy and obsessive, but also have the capacity to be keen and responsive. I know two pets and one worker and the worker is by the far the calmest.

fivedogstofeed · 01/03/2020 09:29

Gosh, a lot of stereotyping on this thread. There's a huge variation in collies - some are incredibly driven and some not. I agree that some seem to be born neurotic but this appears in other breeds as well tbh

I have two. They are the sweetest most gentle dogs I have ever known. Agree with pps that you need to be careful not to feed their obsessions - one of mine would chase balls until he dropped so you have to limit it, the other is hard wired to work so needs to have this channelled but shorts bursts of training and some agility and she's completely happy.

Like all working dogs they have a good off switch and are as likely to be found belly up on the sofa ,especially if it's raining..

Both were given to me quite young, by a farmer who no longer wanted them. They are definitely from good working lines.

Mine are incredibly clever, you can literally show them something once and they learn it. They both have amazing recall without me even having to try, they just want to be with me.

So while I agree they are not a breed for someone who is out at work all day and does 20 mins round the block, collies can be amazing pets.

CandyApple1995 · 01/03/2020 09:34

How old are your dogs @fivedogstofeed?
If you could give me one piece of advice
regarding owning a Collie what would it be?

Thanks!

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elastamum · 01/03/2020 09:37

We have a St Bernard bearded collie cross. He is an amazing dog. Friendly, beautiful, very calm, loves people and has the St bernard laziness. People stop us all the time to ask what breed he is. I have never met another one like him. He is 45kg of loveliness though!

CandyApple1995 · 01/03/2020 09:47

@elastamum please show us a picture? He sounds gorgeous!

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fivedogstofeed · 01/03/2020 09:57

@CandyApple1995 one piece of advice? Rescue one :) There are so many, and they're not all in rescue because they are aggressive or neurotic- many just need a bit of kindness and confidence building.

Mine came to me ( separately) at about 9 months and 18 months, about a couple of years ago. Both had been very harshly treated and the boy in particular has needed a long time to recover. They are sensitive, and just need gentle handling.

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frostedviolets · 01/03/2020 10:07

ooh are we doing pictures?!

This is mine Grin
She loves children, she always liked to sleep next to them as babies, the top picture is when my eldest wanted to tuck her into bed.

Border collie, yes or no?
Border collie, yes or no?
Border collie, yes or no?
fivedogstofeed · 01/03/2020 10:11

@frostedviolets yes pictures definitely needed Grin

happycamper11 · 01/03/2020 10:18

Depends on your set up. We had one when I was a child and she was the best dog, however we lived rurally and she could be out whenever we were home as well as having off lead walks on our doorstep. They are very trainable but not for the inexperienced.

jinxpixie · 01/03/2020 10:45

You didn't ask me but I will shove in my two pennys worth. Smile

The one piece of advice for new collie owners is to have a lot of time to spend with them.

(But looking at my two this morning one is crashed out on the sofa the other is lying in the sun watching the world go by in the garden chilled as can be -they have not had a walk yet!)

PelicanPie · 01/03/2020 10:52

This is a very interesting thread. I have always wanted a collie but have been warned off by so many people. Is the general consensus that a failed sheepdog is a better bet than a working dog?

PelicanPie · 01/03/2020 10:53

How to pick a dog which is not neurotic ?

CollieDug · 01/03/2020 10:54

Well I’m a massive fan. Got ours last year and he is AMAZING. He is from a show line however which I think is important as he is more chilled out. He gets an hour of exercise most days (off lead) and sometimes more.

He is brilliant with kids - we deliberately got a puppy as my oldest was terrified of dogs. He now is so much more incident with them. (Note I never leave dog unattended with Young kids - no dog should ever be left no matter how fluffy and lovely they are)

He loves all other people and all other dogs - we did a huge amount of socialising as a puppy and he goes once a week and spends 3 hours running (and herding!) a group of dogs (ie dog day care)

He is the soppiest dog I have ever ever come across. He just wants a cuddle in the evening or sits on the sofa with his head resting in my shoulder.

I love him to bits - he has changed everything. But the important thing if you get a puppy is to get from good breeder (border collie club will give you list of breeders) and see the parents.

Border collie, yes or no?
Border collie, yes or no?
Border collie, yes or no?
frostedviolets · 01/03/2020 11:06

This is a very interesting thread. I have always wanted a collie but have been warned off by so many people. Is the general consensus that a failed sheepdog is a better bet than a working dog?
Yes, I was surprised by the level of negativity when I got mine.

Family members that I thought would be supportive really weren’t and I have had my fair share if not very nice comments from people out and about.

‘It’s cruel having one’/‘it’s not a pet’/‘your irresponsible having it around children’
Etc etc

IMO, a failed sheepdog (that has failed through lack of interest) is probably an ‘easier’ pet because IMO it’s largely herding instinct that can make them challenging.

That said, mine is a worker through and through and is a lovely pet.

But other dogs often don’t like her which is really hard to deal with, not only because your anxious incase another dog has a go but also because sooner or later after repeated aggression they (and I mean all dogs here, not specifically collies) become aggressive themselves.

Her herding instinct has been hard to handle at times.
Cars for instance, I couldn’t walk her reliably near cars for about a year because she was frankly dangerous, utterly committed to trying to get in front of the cars to stop them moving, crouching, lying down, giving eye...

So in those two respects I think a lower drive ‘failed’ worker, if failed through low drive, would likely be an easier pet.

How to pick a dog which is not neurotic?
Look at the parents.
Often, the puppy will inherit a similar temperament.
Calm, confident dogs tend to produce pups that grow into calm, confident dogs.

Nervy, frantic dogs tend to produce pups that grow into nervy, frantic dogs.

fivedogstofeed · 01/03/2020 11:12

How to pick a dog which is not neurotic?
Agree with seeing the parents. Farmers have generally no hesitation in breeding from neurotic dogs if they happen to work well for them - human friendly temperament is not an issue for them.

Otherwise get an adult rescue. Yes, collie rescues may have some shut down/ fear aggressive/ shadow chasing/terrified dogs but they more often have a constant stream of young, friendly rehomeable collies simply because too many are bred.