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loulouland · 29/10/2019 21:10

I’m struggling with my pup Sad

He’s 10 months now and we’ve had him since he was 5 months old, when we rehomed him from a lady with puppy regret.

He’s a small lurcher and the perfect dog in so many ways but is completely unpredictable in his behaviour, which makes me permanently anxious.

Good points:

  • Recall is great (when not distracted by another dog)
  • He’s sooooooo cute
  • He’s obviously intelligent as understands so many commands (when he wants to!)
  • He’s amazing with my kids (and not interested in bothering anybody else’s kids)
  • He’s learned to not chase the cat anymore which we are so impressed with
  • We can leave him alone now for a few hours (provided all food is hidden!)

He has lots of expected bad points which we can understand (eg greedy/food thief/counter surfer/nightmare near livestock) but some others that are just driving me mad:

  • He wants to play with EVERY dog he meets. We live at the beach so he’s well-socialised but he has a habit of running over to them really quickly and taking them by surprise which can often end in some kind of confrontation (either between the dogs or between the other owner and me Sad
  • He cries so much...it’s torture! He cries in the car whenever we slow down, he cries on family walks when one person walks in a different direction, he cries if he sees a dog he wants to play with, he cries if he’s on the lead, he cries at the pub...it grates more than a baby’s cry!
  • He’s unpredictable on the lead - often he’s great, often he’s awful
  • When on the lead and he comes close to another dog, about 25% of the time he’ll start barking crazy at the other dog for no reason

I’m sure a lot of his behaviour is due to his age, but I’m desperate for reassurance he’s going to calm down!

If anyone else has a lurcher type who was a bit of a dick when he was a young’un, please tell me they get better...! Grin

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Winterdaysarehere · 29/10/2019 21:15

We have 2 Lurchers, the oldest was an adult when we rescued her. Younger one since birth really. Never been an only dpup though. Already had an adult ddog. Now have 4 and Lurchers are the best behaved! We also live at the beach. Be handy if you shared the same sand!
No advice, just a complaint - no pics??

loulouland · 29/10/2019 21:31

I just wish he was less interested in other dogs and more interested than me! He really is the most handsome boy...

Maybe he needs a brother?! Confused

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Winterdaysarehere · 29/10/2019 21:37

Oo handsome! My 2 are dm +dd!! Very close despite only living together these past 2 years.
You need to make you more important on walks. High value treats in a pocket!

AmazingAardvark · 29/10/2019 22:40

Handsome chap! Loads of great resources here - should be something on all the issues you mention and they are all definitely fixable!
m.facebook.com/groups/374160792599484
10 months is still very young and a lot of dogs don’t settle down fully until 18 months or older.
It might be better to keep him on a lead/lunge line when other dogs are around until you can get recall sorted - you don’t want to risk your dog getting hurt if he bothers the wrong dog.

Wolfiefan · 29/10/2019 22:47

No!!!! Don’t get another!
How much one on one training do you do?
You need to stop him running over. If that means a longline on a harness for now then do that. If he won’t come back when there are distractions then you haven’t got recall. He’s obviously lovely and wants to play but if he bounces on the wrong dog then he could get seriously hurt.
Teach a look at me when you see another dog. Get him calm and looking at you. Ok not you. Actually at the yummiest treat EVER!
I would get a trainer to help with the lead walking and also to figure out the crying. He may need distracting or you may have to avoid certain situations?
This age is adolescent, teen hormones gone wild. Even the sweetest pup is generally a bit of an arsehole (technical term! Grin) at this age! Persevere! Prevent the behaviour you don’t want whenever possible and reward the good stuff whenever you can.

loulouland · 30/10/2019 07:50

Thanks for wise words - I’ve got a long line and have started using it when I feel he’s in a dick mood. I just feel it’s such a step backwards when sometimes he is such a delight. I’m hoping that time will help and it is just a bit of an adolescent rebellion...

My pockets are always full of stinky treats Grin

Wondering if the whining is due to him being part staffy?!

Think I’ll see what he’s like in a few months before seeking external help. I’m a first time dog owner so not sure if I’m just a bit neurotic and expecting a perfectly well-behaved and easy to train pup!

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Wolfiefan · 30/10/2019 08:35

I’m a first time dog owner too! I found the help of a really good trainer absolutely vital. Good luck!

missbattenburg · 30/10/2019 09:40

This is the flip side of the "dogs should be allowed to play with other dogs" debate. For this dog, other dogs are a source of great excitement and excitement is a type of stress. As a result, you're starting to see him view other dogs as a source of stress also.

The tips you've got are great ones and I would use that long lead all the time, just for now. It's not a step backwards - it's bridge to take your great puppy into being a great adult, over the treacherous waters of adolescence Grin

Keep your distance from other dogs at all times, just for now. You want to help him re-evaluate them as a lot more boring than he currently views them.

On long leads in open spaces this probably means keeping him the other side of the field etc and using your treats to keep him moving with you rather than focussed on the other dogs.

On pavements, this means keeping enough of a distance from other dogs that you know for sure he will not bark or lunge or react You do not want him practising this behaviour - the more chances he has to practise it, the more likely he is to grow into a reactive adult. Again, use your treats to keep his focus on you and turn around go back the way you came if that's the only way to avoid coming so close to the other dog. Try and keep it low key and relaxed, if you can.

He will mature and change again and the protections you put in place now will help him do so without developing a serious behavioural issue.

With the crying, ignore it. Don't tell him to be quiet etc because any time you do, he gets some attention. It's a pita but if he never, ever gets anything he wants when he is crying then he will stop it. Dogs only ever do what works Smile. Counter it with making sure he does get what he wants when he is quiet. e.g. sat in a pub, he sits down, give him a small treat straight away, then another, then wait a few seconds and another, then a few more seconds and tell him he's a good boy, then a minute and some fuss, then two and a treat, then three. You get the idea. Anytime you notice him quiet and calm (even at home) then give him a little gentle fuss and praise

Re loose lead, at 10 months old with two difference homes already it's probably not surprising he's still a bit hit and miss. I would just double check your training method is sound (there are a few different ones) and perservere. If you're not sure of your method let us know and we'll tell you what worked for us. Battendog was a bit useless on the lead until about 18 months or so - which also corresponded with outside world distractions slowly becoming less exciting.

fwiw bringing a trainer in now to help you would also be a great idea (rather than wait). You're not neurotic at all and any trainer worth their salt would much, much rather work with a dog who is still young and so doesn't have ingrained bad habits yet then wait another 6 months by which time barking at other dogs has become something much more serious because these things have a tendancy to escalate unless properly addressed quickly.

Wolfiefan · 30/10/2019 09:41

Great advice!!

missbattenburg · 30/10/2019 09:42

p.s. he is super, super handsome Grin

BiteyShark · 30/10/2019 10:10

Think I’ll see what he’s like in a few months before seeking external help.

Honestly I wouldn't wait. A good trainer who can look at how you and your pup interact will really help and it's better to get the right tips now than later.

averylongtimeago · 30/10/2019 10:16

Don't wait to work with the trainer- now is the time for him (and you!) to learn the behaviour that will stay with him all his life.

I've had dogs for 40 years - and would always take them to dog class, the more training, the better behaved and happier imho.

Photo showing my oldie goldie practising down stay at class (I started taking her again as she felt left out when we got the last pup plus she loved showing off for liver cake).

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BarbarAnna · 30/10/2019 10:18

I have a Lurcher who is a dick as well! Reading with interest as some of this is sounding familiar!

loulouland · 30/10/2019 11:11

Thanks for the detailed response missbattenburg - everything you’ve said makes sense and is what I’ve read elsewhere. I guess I’m being impatient and hoping things will click sooner than they have. I need to be more consistent and less lazy I think. EVERY walk needs to be treated as training for now.

Will investigate trainer/classes when we’re back from hols (he’s currently having the time of his life in Scotland!).

Here’s another pic of the little idiot Wink

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Winterdaysarehere · 30/10/2019 11:16

He is lovely!! Paw waves from my 2!!

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GrumpyMiddleAgedWoman · 30/10/2019 11:47

Make yourself the most fun thing. Be the source of fun, games and treats on walks. I had one who would leg it off to see other dogs and a combo of working on recall and the stop whistle, and providing fun and rewards and praise when she came back to me has really worked. As you say, every walk is a training session.

missbattenburg · 30/10/2019 13:15

It really is worth the perserverence and consistency.

Dog training happens in tny, tiny increments (mostly) and is often 2 steps forward, one back. But you wil get there.

I'm sure you did, but the moment in that photo when he's lying down, calm and looking at you - that's the time to reinforce/reward him. Even if it only lasts a few seconds.

If you have the dog you want by the time he's 2 years old then you're doing well Smile.

Wolfiefan · 30/10/2019 17:06

My dog is three and we still have moments of training every single day. Just that time she didn’t come straight back on a recall or when she tries to shove past me through a doorway or get out of the car without being told! It’s never ending. But the payoff is a dog who is safe and a delight to spend time with. Well worth it.

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