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Opinions on Halti head harness

42 replies

lorisparkle · 28/08/2019 20:19

I am very uncertain about head collars and want some more information to help me decide.

Any opinions and experience welcome

Thanks

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Whatsforu · 31/08/2019 14:28

You use what keeps you and your dog safe. I have a 39kg very fit dog and use halti and harness. Most of the time great on lead but for the occasions not it has literally been a life saver. Ddog is not overly happy with halti but definitely has more respect when wearing it.

lazylinguist · 31/08/2019 15:09

I just don't understand why my dog is still perfectly able to pull on all these contraptions when they apparently stop other dogs from pulling! It stops him for a few walks, then he realises that he can still pull! Head collars, slip leads, figure of 8, chest-clipping harnesses - all the same result!

Iamblossom · 31/08/2019 15:14

A halti means I can walk my black lab on a lead. Without it I could not. He absolutely hates it though Confused

lorisparkle · 31/08/2019 18:11

My DH took the dog for a walk this afternoon and reports that 'it is a different dog' and 'a pleasure to walk'!!!! We already have a perfect fit harness and it gives him even more strength to pull. What we are using is a double lead with one end on the dogalter and the other end on the perfect fit. It gives us both the security and control and hopefully in time we can go back to just the perfect fit.

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tabulahrasa · 31/08/2019 19:20

“I just don't understand why my dog is still perfectly able to pull on all these contraptions when they apparently stop other dogs from pulling!”

They don’t usually, it just gives you a bit of leeway to work on it.

Iamblossom · 31/08/2019 23:31

He still pulls, he just realises vey quickly he is pulling against himself so stops

lazylinguist · 03/09/2019 14:29

They don’t usually, it just gives you a bit of leeway to work on it.

Loads of reviewers (and various friends of mine) seem to have found Haltis or Dogmatics just instantly stopped their dog from pulling.
I'd like to work on it, but I'm at a loss as to how to. Treats don't work, stopping every time he pulls doesn't work, turning around and walking the other way doesn't work. Attending a class didn't help either. He's fine on the way back from a walk - because he's not desperate to get where he's going!

GrumpyMiddleAgedWoman · 03/09/2019 14:58

@lazylinguist, have you tried taking your dog to a gundog trainer for some one-to-one? I had a delinquent who pulled like a train with me, but the gundog bloke got him walking nicely (for him!) within about 50 yards. It took me longer...

I started working on the next one when she was young, and she is loads better on the lead.

Jouska · 03/09/2019 16:12

lazylinguist loads of dogs still pull on a headlcollar so you are not alone.

I also hate the standing still or turning around and walking the other way - I have only ever see it create frustration in both the dog and the owner. Usually frustration is what causes the pulling in the first place eg they want to get somewhere quicker than we can walk Smile

You are half way there if you realise that your dog will walk well on the way home - build on - this reward a lot on the way home from the walk. No words or pulling just make it second nature to reward when he is in position with you and a loose lead . It is important to reward the loose lead so he rewarded for no pressure on his body.

I would just concentrate on the walk home for several days - get in to the habit and get him happy with it.

Then on walk out to the walk spend 2 mins at one point of the walk to reward and treat the loose lead again. He will be more used to accepting treats and will know what he has to do to get them

Jouska · 03/09/2019 16:13

I love teaching heel work - if you are anywhere near me ..........Smile

MattMagnolia · 03/09/2019 19:12

A Halti is no more aversive than a collar and lead, which is used to keep our dogs safe. I’ve found Haltis miraculous on bigger dogs but wouldn’t use one on my little puller. He hates his harness and would lose the will to live if something was strapped around his head.

Shambolical1 · 04/09/2019 09:01

There's very, very few pieces of dog equipment which aren't 'aversive' to a dog, in that they produce an effect the dog doesn't like if he/she does something we don't like, even a plain old flat collar. It's just a matter of degree and of the skill and/or sensitivity of the person on the other end of the lead; the dog is intelligent enough in the vast majority of cases to work out what he needs to do.

Training is the long-term and horribly dull, predictable answer but you do need to keep yourself, your dog and the general public safe while you're working on it, so use what will do that but learn how to use it properly. None of the gizmos and gadgets work alone, they need handler input and that input needs to be fair, correct and - crucially - at the right time.

The problem with Dogmatic and similar headcollars that don't tighten is that they don't loosen, either, they're always the same; there's nothing to 'give back' to the dog when it isn't pulling, so there's not much release/reward for the dog being good other than the handler's praise/treat. If that had worked to start with the dog wouldn't be needing the reinforcement of the headcollar anyway. I also suspect that the Dogmatic in particular has a sneaky pinching action on the dog's cheeks and lips from the metal rings where the noseband joins the headpiece. Dogmatics (and Haltis, come to that) are also 'sided' in that the lead hook needs to be on the side nearest the handler to work correctly, which can become a faff for some handlers and lead to neck twisting for the dog. Better to use a headcollar which attaches centrally at the back of the head.

No one thing or technique works for every dog; all the techniques and gadgets work on most or some dogs. Most gadget/technique failures are actually user error, or lack of user time and patience. Once a habit has set in it takes time to change it and it's generally much harder to train a dog to not do something than to train it to do something.

happydaze22 · 04/09/2019 18:57

We used a " Gentle Leader" ( similar to a halti)on our 35kg Labarador /rottweiller. She pulled like a train with out it despite trainers attempting to help us for over two years, lol.
We found she needed it for the start of walks but once shed had a good run and some time chasing after balls and swimming in the sea/ river she would be calm (knackered) enough to come home without it.

PavlovSkinner · 10/09/2019 11:23

They work to stop pulling because they are aversive to the dog...i.e. the dog will work to escape/avoid the discomfort he feels when he pulls. So whether you are happy using one depends on how you feel about that. For some people with very large or unpredictable dogs thye can be a pragmatic temporary solution while you train your dog to be able to wlak with you. For me, they should never be a permanent solution

lorisparkle · 10/09/2019 21:39

Thanks everyone, currently it is unsafe for me to walk him and this would mean I could not do any training with him. At least now I can safely train him so hopefully he won't need it when he calms down.

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PestyMachtubernahme · 10/09/2019 22:31

lazylinguist he's a pointer, he is prepared to suffer in order to stalk: wrens, pigeons, deer, spaniels, quinces and burger wrappers.

lazylinguist · 11/09/2019 11:10

Thanks for the responses (even though it's not my thread!). Gundog training might be the way forward- there are plenty of trainers round here I think.

Pesty - prepared to suffer in order to get where he's going, but not to stalk things. My pointer has pretty much zero prey drive! He likes to chase a ball, but isn't fussed about chasing animals (often doesn't appear to have noticed deer etc). It's a blessing really, as we live in Cumbria and are constantly surrounded by sheep!

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