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Border Terrier? Labradoodle? Other bright ideas? Help!

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TheMarschallin · 20/08/2019 23:12

Hello there

We have taken the plunge and decided to get a dog. Well,, we are doing our due diligence to make sure we are ready and if we are, what breed.

We have spoken to a few people and done some internet research and so far we think that we may get on with a border terrier, a soft coated wheaten terrier or a labradoodle.

Does anyone have any views on these breeds?

Our situation is that we have a relatively small garden, but can exercise the dog for at least 2 hours a day. I work from home so we would not plan to have to leave the dog for prolonged periods on a daily basis.
Happy to groom a few times a week. I am a little bit allergic.
Both my DH and I had dogs as children but this would be our first time owners as adults. We have two DCs who are pretty gentle and responsible, and very active!

I realise that this is a big decision, so does anyone out there who knows about dogs have any thoughts? Or suggestions?

My DH would ideally like a lab, but I think that our house and garden is too small.

Thanks!

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SkeletonSkins · 21/08/2019 08:43

Spaniels shed, I wouldn’t want to take the risk if I were you that you’d end up very allergic to it. Working cockers are mental. Lovely lovely dogs but on the go constantly.

Border terriers are lovely. Nice solid little breed. I think they’d suit you perfectly to be honest.

SkeletonSkins · 21/08/2019 08:51

Soft coated Wheatons are nice and don’t shed. Just pick your breeder carefully, some can be a bit funny.

doyoureallylikeit · 21/08/2019 08:56

My DB has a labradoodle. He's lab size, sheds like mad but so good natured and funny. He would never stop eating, loves his walks and swimming and does run with my DB. He's so mischievous but in a good way and I wouldn't hesitate to get one but just be aware .....the amount of hair he looses is ridiculous! I love him though

TheMarschallin · 21/08/2019 09:08

@SkeletonSkins are the breeders funny or the dogs? And in what way? I am prepared to be grilled by breeders Smile

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MissShapesMissStakes · 21/08/2019 09:12

I have a miniature poodle and a 7 and 10 year old. Our poodle has got on great with my kids from the start. He helps my youngest’s anxiety and will actively seek her out when she’s having a noisy meltdown, and will lick her feet or fuss her - helps a lot.

I’m not sure if we’ve just been very lucky as he is our first ever dog, but he isn’t yappy, he is fine about not being entertained - he doesn’t chew (never has), or get destructive. But then he usually has some people company most of the time. He is also fine being left for a few hours (I’ve never left him for more than 3).

He likes other dogs but is scared when they get a bit too bouncy or barky. He just sits down or cowers. Never snaps. The reputation as fussy, yappy dogs is unfair. It’s how they are treated largely.

He is a medium sized poodle. I like his size. You can go bigger or smaller (standard or toy).

He’s clever and has been easy to train so far. Loves his food which isn’t always the case with poodles I think. Some can be fussy. He will eat anything and everything Hmm

You don’t have to shave their nose and feet. I like their more natural look.

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mostlysinging · 21/08/2019 09:18

I've just spent a weekend with a border terrier and personally wouldn't get one based on him - he's fine with people but very very reactive to other dogs and can't be walked off lead because of it.

Was talking to an owner of two Tibetan terriers (who were lovely) about it and he said he had quite a few friends with border terriers and was a mixed bag but most weren't the best with other dogs.

Jackreacherismyhero · 21/08/2019 09:25

We have a BT. We took her out as soon as we got her, carried her to the pub, the post office, train station, bus station. We went out somewhere every day until she could have walks. I also will always pay for her to go to day care as she's good with other dogs and I want that to carry on!

My point is. Socialise early and if you've got a chilled out dog they don't have to be reactive. I think a lot of bt owners think that because they're small they do t need to go to puppy classes or need walks. Ours goes on runs with my husband but it's only just enough exercise for her so we tire her out mentally too otherwise she eats shoes and her recall was shit until we realised that instead of treats she prefers a squeaky toy now we have it nailed

She's a lot smaller than I expected her to be. She's 5.5kg and fully grown but honestly she's amazing!

SkeletonSkins · 21/08/2019 09:26

@TheMarschallin haha sorry the dogs. Some I’ve come across have a bit of a reputation for being quite stand offish and in some cases aggressive. But they’re not all like that at all so the important thing would be finding lines with lots of friendly lovely dogs.

pinkhousesarebest · 21/08/2019 09:27

My dois has a Wheaten, chosen essentially for his anti- allergen and non shedding qualities as her family all have asthma and eczema. He is the most wonderful dog for a family. She walks him daily but he is so content to mosey round the house for the rest of the day, never in your face. He doesn't like to be left alone though.

missbattenburg · 21/08/2019 09:37

Whilst there's a fair bit of good advice here, what I cannot see is what you specificaly want from a dog. It makes quite a bit difference to breed choice, imo.

e.g. 'can walk it two hours a day' isn't quite the same as 'will walk it for two hours in the rain when I'm feeling sick and the kids don't want to go'. ime it's these things that really make the difference between enjoying the dog or not.

For me the things to think about are:

Size - you mention smaller than a lab. Do also think about transport and how much room in the car there might be. Especially if you often go on holidays with lots of bags etc. Small dogs have an advantage there and you can get boot dividers that allow you to put bags and a dog in the boot without worrying about a bag rolling over onto the dog etc. Big dogs tend to knock children over but also tend to be a bit more robust (not always true). Small breeds tend to live longer. A border terrier could easily live longer than a lab (just for eg).

Coat - often allergies are to the dander, not the fur. Shedding dogs also shed more dander so there is a link to shedding and allergic reactions but it's not as clear cut as you might think. In addition, some allergy sufferers have an easier time with one breed than another. Whatever breed you choose, do try and spend some time around them first to check your own reactions.

Coat - longer coated dogs are messier. They smell a bit more because the fur traps the scent and they tend to bring mud into the house and trample it wherever they go. Short hair dogs are much easier to give a quick dry down and they are sofa-ready. How much you are ok with constant hoovering and mopping is one for you...

Exercise requirements - as above, I think it's most useful to really be honest about how much walking you want to do and where. If you genuinly love a muddy walk in the cold and damp (some of us do) then that's great, you need a breed who likes that too. In that case, maybe the sight hounds are not for you as they tend to prefer a hot sunny day. If you prefer days out in the summer heat then a dog that cannot cope with the heat will be restrictive (huskies and the brachy breeds come to mind).

Temperament - this is the real decision time, I think. ALL breeds have 'good' points and 'bad' ones. How much those bad ones will impact your life depend on what you and your family can live with. For example, a border terrier might have greater tendencies than other breeds to bark, dig, chase small furries (and kill them), become obessive over things such as a ball or the dog next door. They might be less likely than other breeds to bond closely with people or put up with pesky children or like other dogs. On the flip side a lab might be never safe left alone with food, boisterous, knock children and ornaments over, overly attached to humans, chew things, carry shoes off around the house so you can never find a pair. All dogs are individuals and you will find borders & labs that don't match my descriptions at all. But the jobs they are bred to do and how they are expected to do them will influence their behaviour.

Terriers are bred to... be tenecious, dig, kill rodants and other vermin, work independently of humans, sometimes work independently of other dogs, work in areas where barking won't matter, not particularly care about keeping the peace which can come across as 'stubborn' because what you want them to do holds no sway; this can also give them great character because for a dog to have character you need them to be comfortbale trying out new behaviours. They are bred for a job that is short and frenetic but then over, meaning they can go from 0-100 instantly.

Gun breeds are bred to... like having things in their mouths, like carrying things, work/bond closely with a human and with other dogs, care a great deal about maintaining the relationship between you (making them more biddable but also more sensitive and maybe more predictable). They are bred for a job that might involve being out in the cold and wet for several hours and to be led to a certain extent by their noses.

Thinking about exactly how you want a dog to fit into your life can really help reveal the breed most likely to do that. Whatever you choose, do read up on the possible negatives and be sure you can live with them or are happy to work on training to overcome them.

p.s. if my review of terriers is negative it isn't meant to be. Borders rock Smile

Pipandmum · 21/08/2019 09:37

I have two labradoodles. One is a miniature Australian labradoodle, much more of an established breed and he looks exactly like his mum and several generations up the pedigree. He has a poodle coat and is non shedding. Working cocker size. He’s 10 and still very bouncy!
My other is a f1b (I think!) meaning she’s from a labradoodle bred back to a poodle. Also cocker size. She’s very obedient and not bouncy at all! Her coat is wavy also non shedding.
I got them because they are good with kids and easy to train, lively but not excessively so (they are calm in the house but do like long walks).
My friend has a cavapoo, smaller and cute as anything. Quite energetic.
None of them bark excessively, do give a warning when door goes but are very friendly and get in with other dogs and cats if socialised.
I did my due diligence and bought them from two different t breeders, visiting before I committed. If a breeder is happy for you to visit and can show you health tests that’s a big indication of how they are as breeders. With both I had to wait a few months for a puppy.

Jackreacherismyhero · 21/08/2019 09:49

@missbattenburg totally agree with your thing about terriers! Ours has caught a rat in the garden before now 🤢.

With regards to coat, they need hand stripping when their coat gets long, they have an amazingly soft under coat! It's very easy to do, but I prefer her long.

Better photo of her. I do think it's funny though, we have a golden and they like to carry things round.. And Holly does too! If you go downstairs and she's in the kitchen she'll grab a toy or anything at all on the floor and parade around happily grunting and showing you her prize.

I wouldn't be without her now.

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missbattenburg · 21/08/2019 10:09

Ha! One of the things that prompted us to take the decking up in this house was the JRTs obsession with what might be under there... I dread to think but when it came up we were sure to have the dogs outside with us, just in case they were needed.

Nothing came out, thank god. :)

LM1514 · 21/08/2019 10:29

I have 2 poodles, 1 miniature and 1 toy. They are lovely dogs. They do not shed (they have a wool like coat rather than fur) so they are brilliant for allergy sufferers. They are very intelligent (sometimes too much for their own good). The miniature one loves going on runs, the toy one not so much as his legs are quite small. They are brilliant with our baby and absolutely love other kids so they are great family dogs. The issue if you get a poodles cross is that you might not necessarily get the non shedding, it's a bit of a lottery.

LM1514 · 21/08/2019 10:34

I forgot to add that the main issue with poodles is the grooming expenses. Mine need a full groom one every 8-9 weeks and you need to keep on top of their coats with brushing between appointments.

Sforsh49 · 21/08/2019 10:45

Border Terrier every time! Mine is ten now. We have no kids but he is awesome with my nephew and nieces just ignores them!
When younger he would go for miles but is showing his age a bit now and 40 mins walk is enough for him.
He loves playing ball and chasing pigeons out his garden and is generally a fantastic little dog with a huge heart! He doesn't come upstairs - won't even try and does what we tell him although that took some serious training on our part but has been worth it!
If you're not sure about a border what about a Miniature Schanuzer? MIL has one and whilst he's not as intelligent as our Border he's a fantastic little dog!!

robynadair · 21/08/2019 10:51

Cairn Terrier! Of a Cairnoodle! Don't shed, low allergy (I used to be very allergic to dogs as a child), great with children, happy with a long walk, short walk or a potter in the garden, don't bark very much and when they do, it's a deep bark, you'd think it was a much bigger bark. Also very cute!!

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robynadair · 21/08/2019 10:56

Bigger dog not bark!

squee123 · 21/08/2019 11:55

unfortunately KC registration is no protection against puppy farming in practice

TheMarschallin · 21/08/2019 11:57

I know that we have a way to go, but how would you avoid puppy farms?

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MNOverinvestor · 21/08/2019 12:02

I know a lovely - but very lively - Wheaten Terrier but I recently met a Havanese dog and lost my heart to it. It's a much more common breed in the US than here and the owners say it was the perfect dog - intelligent, very calm en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Havanese_dog. Since they didn't overgroom it, it looked very much like a little labradoodle.

Detroit68 · 21/08/2019 12:11

Best dog I ever had was a blue heeler. Easily trained, intelligent, not too big. Total love bug, but not Velcro. Needed exercise and activity, but could be satisfied.

Worst was a labradoodle. Snappy, ultra high energy, Barker.

PookieDo · 21/08/2019 12:18

I don’t have a border but I have a Yorkshire X Maltese. He is terrier through and through. I also have a cat. He will not stop trying to play with the cat Hmm but he is not really aggressive to her
But any cat on the street he is very reactive and will try to chase
They are very playful and lots of energy
Mine does not shed

PookieDo · 21/08/2019 12:19

I think terriers are bloody stubborn too. Not stupid at all but insolent 😂

adaline · 21/08/2019 12:31

If you have allergies have you considered a mini schnauzer?

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