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Yumove vs Metacalm

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Doggymummy86 · 28/04/2019 16:30

Hello 🙂
I have an older lurcher who is on metacalm for suspected arthritis. I’ve been reading up on Yumove and I was wondering what your views are on it and does it really work ?? I would love to get Murphy off metacalm but I wanna know everything before going back to the vets.
Your stories would be really helpful 🐶💙

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Doggymummy86 · 29/04/2019 07:23

I’d rather trust my vet with metacalm and the possible damage it could do .... I’m not saying it definitely does damage to every single dog but I believe it isn’t good long term. Every one has their own opinion on this issue though 🙂

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stucknoue · 29/04/2019 07:44

Mines on yumove suggested by vet, not sure it works but it's worth trying

Doggymummy86 · 29/04/2019 07:53

Stucknoue- How long has your dog been on it ?? I know it can take up to 4-6 weeks to see an affect

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Honeyroar · 29/04/2019 08:06

My vet is senior and a partner, but does lots of reading and research into things, hence his reasoning on drugs. He said his research found that in most issues of kidney problems and meta cam the dogs had existing kidney issues. Re the appoquel, he said it was initially trialled as a cancer treatment and is quite invasive. He said he’d give it a bigger dog, but that it would not be good for a smaller dog’s heart. He’s been an amazing vet, but unfortunately retires today!

MummaBear2Be2019 · 29/04/2019 11:05

@Veterinari My dogs vet is actually a very highly respected and best vet in the city i live. He is also not the only vet here that says that metacam causes damage long term. My pets have been registered with them for nearly 20 years now and i trust every word he says as does his huge clientele.

Judashascomeintosomemoney · 29/04/2019 11:21

if he stays on it long term then it would need to be regular blood tests urine samples to make sure everything is still the same
And this is key, my dog had various bloods done prior to taking metacam. All was good and so she started having daily doses. Periodically bloods were taken to check how she was doing. At the point where they were no longer ok (kidney function) we stopped the metacam and moved on to the alternatives. There was no suggestion that the metacam caused the kidney issue but once it was apparent it was decided best to stop the metacam. She actually made it to 14, not bad for a lumpy old arthritic barrel of a Labrador who weighed 45 kg when we ‘rescued’ her aged 8Smile. After the metacam had to stop the acupuncture served her well right til the point when her kidneys finally got bad enough that it was time to kiss her goodbye. I know it probably doesn’t work for every dog but for the last year or so her mobility was better than it had been prior to her sessions (which she loved btw, relaxed her so much she’d spend the whole hour snoring and farting Grin).

tabulahrasa · 29/04/2019 11:59

The thing is, even if you work on the assumption that metacam does cause damage longterm (I’m not a vet, I’m not going to argue whether it does or doesn’t tbh).

What you’re having to weigh up with any medication that might shorten life is quality of life vs length of life.

To me if you’re looking at an elderly dog with arthritis (I appreciate you think it might not be in which case obviously it’s different) I’d much rather knock time off the end of their life if it means they enjoy a more normal life until then.

Doggymummy86 · 29/04/2019 12:33

After thinking overnight about this .... I’m adamant Murphy doesn’t have arthritis, alright maybe a bit stiff in the mornings but he’s back off his food. He’s had issues with his teeth for the last 6 weeks resulting in a scale and polish, and 1 tooth extraction nothing has changed since the extraction instead he’s just on antibiotics for a week he’s okay for a few days then back to normal. He’s booked in to the vets on Thursday to see what’s going on, I think his teeth are making him slower etc. When hes walking his whole body will be vibrating so this will hurt his head & teeth. He can’t shake his head and only lies on his “good” side.
Angry isn’t the word !!! 🙁

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OverFedStanley · 29/04/2019 12:44

If he has toothache the metacam will be helping with the horrendous pain of toothache.

Don't be angry it is very hard to diagnose illness in animals that can not explain what it wrong with them. A good owner will observe and be able to help the vet in the diagnosis.

Pop back to the vet and discuss things with him.

Stiff in the mornings is a very obvious sign of arthritis so maybe he has tooth ache and arthritis.

Hopefully you will find a good solution that you are all happy with.

rideawhiteswan · 29/04/2019 13:27

Our dog is on Yumove advance 360 from the vet, it's quite expensive £25 a month for a lab. However it really works, twice I've taken her off it and after 4 or 5 days she starts to get stiff when getting up from a sleep, both in the morning and in the daytime, this stiffness goes with a few days of the yumove again. We have tried metacam and it didn't make any difference but the yumove advance 360 does.
We had xrays done so know hers is definitely arthritis.
I also keep my dog slim and fit with lots of exercise which help keeps her absolutely sound. We do not throw anything as we have realised the sudden stops, starts and sharp turns were not helping her at all. I have a very good eye for seeing that there is a slight unlevelness in her stride then we will lead walk her for the next couple of days. Thing is if we rested her completely then she would just charge around the house which could potentially do more damage.
There are many other options which may well work for your dog but I would personally give the yumove advance 360 a trial without the metacam to see if that helps. I would also get the vet to definitely say if it is arthritis or not, with xrays if necessary, so you know exactly what you are dealing with.

Doggymummy86 · 29/04/2019 15:54

@rideawhiteswan

Thank you so much for your feedback. The vets haven't done any xray's just assessed him checked his age and put it down to that but like you may have seen before his teeth have been playing up, i'm at the vet on Thursday so i want a proper diagnoses of them and to finally get his teeth sorted out.

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rideawhiteswan · 29/04/2019 17:08

Hi, I missed your post about you thinking is most likely his teeth when I wrote my epic post!
Hopefully things will be clearer after your next appointment.
Good luck and I hope he's feeling better soon.

Doggymummy86 · 29/04/2019 17:23

Don’t worry it’s still helpful, I think either way he’s going on Yumove it’s not going to do any harm.
I hate seeing him so useless like he is you’d think after 6 weeks of scale & polish, tooth extraction & 2 lots of antibiotics it would be cleared but nothing yet 😭

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Veterinari · 29/04/2019 18:10

. I’m not saying it definitely does damage to every single dog but I believe it isn’t good long term. Every one has their own opinion on this issue though

OP there are opinions, and then there is scientific evidence. The two are very different.

Veterinari · 29/04/2019 18:21

a very highly respected and best vet in the city i live. He is also not the only vet here that says that metacam causes damage long term. My pets have been registered with them for nearly 20 years now and i trust every word he says as does his huge clientele.

He sounds like a great businessman. I’ve worked with and for several highly successful vets who were great at business and awful as clinicians so I’d love to see the evidence from all these vets saying that long term metacam causes damage, and what the nature of that damage is? Because as a veterinary professional i’m unaware of them. And i’ve trained in pain management with global specialists. Of course there can be adverse effects, as with any drug but these generally occur in the first couple of weeks of treatment and are listed on the data sheet: www.noahcompendium.co.uk/?id=-447613&fromsearch=true#iosfirsthighlight

I’m not trying to be difficult but as a vet I think that misinformation such as that spread on this thread is really harmful. I see a lot of animals in unnecessary chronic pain because of outdated or uninformed opinions in appropriate analgesic therapy and perpetuating such rumours just leads to poor animal welfare

rideawhiteswan · 30/04/2019 11:55

I just wanted to add that I'm not anti metacam at all, just that it didn't appear to make any difference to my dogs symptoms.

Tamberlane · 01/05/2019 12:26

My biggest regret with my elderly labrador was that I waited so long to put her on Metacam be honest. I was a vet student at the time used loads of supplements, dieted the poor creature right down on weight, swimming, hydrotherapy, j/d food.carthrophen injections etc...Then eventually when I noticed her losing more and more muscle over her back legs tried meloxicam(Metacam)....and seen a massive improvement in her comfort level within a few days..chronic pain is bad like that and Osteoarthritis causes chronic pain. The guilt was awful!
but I learned something very valuable... quality of life trumps everything.
Her quality of life was much better when she wasn't hurting. Weaning her down to a lower dosing schedule didn't work out very well for her...she was most comfortable on pain relief...over the next 3 years she stayed on the NSAIDS class of meds-metacam and its various generics,then previcox as well as keeping her supplements and cartrophen.. and went to heaven at 13 and a half...for a separate issue-she blew one knee- cruciate jumping out of the car and the second one went within a week :( and I couldn't put her through the surgery with her bad hips etc or keep her comfortable enough to manage on cage rest...still miss that dog!

If his quality of life is improved on pain relief then I would focus on looking at alternative pain medications if Metacam scares you.....but I really would reconsider your stance on that to some extent or even consider some of the newer NSAIDs that are even more targetted drugs..Previcox is one.

Metacam is contraindicated in kidney and liver disease to a certain extent...but if had normal bloods and he has been on it already and had 0 issues so far then the risk of issues longterm isn't very high due to the medications itself.
Most side effects, if you're going to have them, will be in the initial few weeks...that's when you find out if there's a preexisting issue or sensitivity there.
Vets are checking blood/urine etc yearly or 6 monthly is often to see if old age has caused any issues with the body that would mean we may need to consider alternative medications as the dog now has a hepatic or kidney issue as they age as much as to catch the very rare side effects...old age isn't a disease but it does predispose us to them.

The veterinary NSAIDs themselves have a low risk of long-term side effects if the patient is healthy. Do medications carry some risk. Always...all medications that are effective will have some risk. That's why they test them so rigorously...so we know what issues to look for with each med.
But in these sort of cases the quality of life benefit analysis sort of needs to be considered in comparison to the risk.

Personally, I don't rate Yumove in the same category as Metacam for pain relief at all. It's a nutritional supplement, not a medication. It does seem to be helpful to some dogs in the early stages of OA to increase mobility and can sometimes help reduce the doses of meds etc but it isn't pain relief and osteoarthritis is painful.

I'd focus on controlling the pain and work on the best quality of life.

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