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fixtheironingboard · 21/04/2019 12:32

Hello everyone

I have a puppy who is nearly 13 weeks old and has been with us three weeks. He's had his second vaccinations and we've been taking him out and about for two weeks. He's only little, so we've been concentrating on socialising him with other dogs, birds, traffic, bridges and water, different environments. He seems confident and happy and never runs away or barks. Sometimes he will pull on the lead a little, sometimes he will sit and refuse to walk (I'm guessing he is tired?) but otherwise there's been no concerns.

He sleeps all night in his crate with no problems. He will whine a little once or twice a night, and I get up and take him out in the garden to do his business. Then back to sleep until about 7am - which is perfect for me. No problems there and I am guessing the night waking will fade as he gets older and his bladder gets bigger.

He can sit - very reliably both with and without a treat. I make him sit at the kerb when we're out and about and he will wait until I tell him we can cross the road. He is unreliable about offering a paw. He will sometimes come when called - almost always reliable in the house and back garden - very hit and miss when out and about. He can't do 'down' and 'wait' is a very unreliable thing right now.

I am trying to teach him fetch but he seems to have no idea at all... yet!

Food wise - he's on Royal Canin (recommended by the breeder) three times a day. He's eating less than the packet recommends but he is putting on weight and the vet had no concerns about his size. I am not sure if I should leave his half-finished bowl down all the time and let him graze, or I should take it away and let him build up his hunger to the next mealtime. He quite often - I'd say at least once or twice a day - has a very loose and mucussy stool - I have to wash it away out of the grass rather than pick it up. There's no blood and he is drinking often and well and seems very active so I haven't been to the vet about this yet. Should I?

As you can tell, I'm a first time dog owner. I've read a lot and I'm a member of various force-free training groups on facebook. I want to do my best by him. Should I be doing a bit more with his training - especially on 'wait' and come when called? He's too young for long walks, so this would be practicing in the garden, I think.

What should I expect with house training? He will go when I take him out to the garden. He's reliable and I am taking him out after every meal and drink, every sleep, and every half hour generally. I still have misses and he will go in the house and he doesn't ask to be let out during the day (though he does at night). Should I crate him in the day to help with house training? I don't punish or shout when he has an accident inside, just clean with the enzyme cleaner and take him out. Lots of praise when he does do it in the garden.

In terms of being left alone: I will crate him when I shower - this is for about ten minutes and he has a special chew in there he doesn't get at any other time. He seems happy and doesn't whine. Last week I had to make an emergency trip to the GP with my child and I crated him then for one hour, with the special chew, and he was sleeping very happily and seemed happy and not anxious when we got back, though I know it wasn't ideal. I haven't left him otherwise. I will need him to be reasonably okay with being left for about three hours once a day on week days come October - so we have some months to work on that. How and when should I start? (If he isn't ready or it doesn't work, I have other options as stand-by).

We have a puppy party booked for two weeks' time. He's socialised well with other vaccinated dogs. There's a vet nurse who runs the party and I will mention his loose stool to her unless you think I should make a trip to the vet more urgently?

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fixtheironingboard · 29/04/2019 12:45

Bit of puppy regret this morning!

He was terrible yesterday - biting and snapping in the house, was trying to dig through hedge in the garden. Obviously I need to dogproof the hedge (didn't realise there was a gap until he found it!) so instead decided to take him out to the park. He woudn't walk on the lead. Just lay on the pavement, legs out behind him. He has a harness and not a lead attached to his collar so I gave him a little tug to get him to stand up (not hard) and he went mad, lying on his back and biting at the lead. Ignored treats. Carried him to park and let him off the lead, where he ran around happily and recall was fine in response to treats. Would not walk on the lead to come home, but laid down again until I was forced to carry him.

Am I rewarding lazy behaviour by carrying him? The walk to the park is about three minutes - we're on the same street. I can understand him being tired AFTER an off lead play, but he was content to be carried to the park then run about while he was there. The harness is well fitted and he seems to have no problems wearing it.

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Wolfiefan · 29/04/2019 17:43

Puppies need very little proper on lead exercise. I would stick to lead training in the garden and driving somewhere he can go offlead safely.

Fontleroy · 29/04/2019 17:51

Hi OP, I’ve got a puppy the same age and could’ve written most of what you have. Our boy has been a dream so far. I’ve noticed he gets more bitey when over tired- when this happens I crate him(he has a pen around the crate too) and ignore for 5/10 mins. He does really like his crate so chills out pretty much straight away.

Before getting him I was worried about off lead walking but I bit the bullet and did it on his very first walk. And every other walk since and it’s been fine. He doesn’t wander at all, just stays behind us and has a brief sniff before he catches up. I put him on lead when we see another dog because he thinks all dogs like puppies hanging off their ears Grin

pigsDOfly · 30/04/2019 13:04

Yes agree, don't worry too much about him walking on the lead in the street. Mine wouldn't move for ages on the lead if we were anywhere other than the garden.

Just keep practicing in the garden and one day it will click for him and he'll be walking along like a star.

They all have their difficult days. When my dog was an adolescent she could be rather 'challenging' sometimes and I can well remember leaving the house with her and saying to her 'please don't embarrass me today'.

It passes, honestly. She hasn't embarrassed me for years Grin

fixtheironingboard · 30/04/2019 13:21

Bit better today. He did he usual trick of refusing to walk on the lead. I don't want to crate him or leave him in the car on the school run every day, so I carried him. Went to my friend's house where he had a morning of very lively play with her dog. Home where he had a (very much needed) bath then a long sleep.

Will look up some resources for lead training. Am about to have a cup o tea and read Total Recall.

I don't mind letting him off the lead when I know I can control him otherwise - but I can't guarantee his recall, don't want him running across a road or getting mixed up with a dog who may have poor manners.

House training continues to be hit and miss. A perfect night, up early and in the garden for his business. Breakfast. Out again after breakfast for another wee. Perfect. Then inside for a third wee on the kitchen floor and a fourth while I was running the water for the mop bucket. Four wees in the space of an hour and a half...

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Catsrus · 01/05/2019 20:29

A really useful command to teach is the emergency stop. You should be able to stop him dead before he runs into the road. This is something you will work on for months, don't expect instant results, but worth it.

Start in the house and garden with the occasional random "sit" command and raise your hand / arm high (yes, it's the "can I go to the loo please miss." Pose). You get the dog to associate the raised arm with "sit" so that at a distance he will sit even if he can't hear the command. Once the association is made you can start doing a bit further away. Never call the dog to you when you use this command, always go to the dog, take hold of collar, praise and treat.

Just do that daily. You will begin to build up distance and add in the stay command, but not yet, just get the strong association between that arm in the air and his bum on the ground. Get the kids to do it too. Just "sit" and arm in the air. (Eventually try just the arm and a hard stare 🧐). Always reward, either a treat or lots of praise.

Training really is just building up, in little steps, just like teaching children to talk. Short and simple commands, be clear, everyone use the same words. It can actually be good fun training him. Enjoy!

fixtheironingboard · 02/05/2019 12:28

He's great on sit - will do it automatically if I turn and look at him while he's tinkering about behind or around me, and always sits to get the treat even if he's responding to 'come' or 'leave it'. Didn't think of the emergency element though. He's on lead near roads - always - and I only let him off in places where I am confident there's nowhere unsafe for him to escape to - but that won't always be possible.

Good morning walk today. Some nice lead walking, and recalled when interested in other dogs and people - very pleased about that.

Still making no progress at all on 'down' - I don't seem to be able to lure him into position, and his sit is so good that I can't get him out of it to lie down when he's in it. Will perservere, though not sure what good a 'down' is to me anyway.

This week I want to get started on 'stay' - he will hold a sit if I continue to give him the hand signal (if we're at the kerb, for example) but if I walk away from him - even a step or two - he follows me. Need to work on that as it will be important as he grows.

We've got into a nice morning routine now. He lets me know he wants out of his crate at about 6.30am. We go into the garden, he gets his treat for doing his business, then we come in and I make myself a cup of tea. In bed together for a snuggle until 7.15, when he gets his breakfast and a play with the kids. He's back in his crate from 7.45-8.15 so I can organise kids without him underfoot, then with us on the school run, and out afterwards for walk or play outside until he lets me know he is tired. I don't LOVE crating him again so soon after he's woken up, but he doesn't bark or whine and I need him out from under my feet while I do breakfast / teeth brushing / school bags for the kids.

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pigsDOfly · 02/05/2019 15:13

Regarding the sit command and getting him to stay and not follow you, it might help to teach him a release command so that he learns to stay sitting until he's given the release command regardless of what else you're doing, even if you drop your arm or walk away.

Agree with Catsrus a good stop command is vital. It could save a dog's life in certain circumstances.

I enjoyed/enjoy training my dog but I've really only stuck to the things that were important to me and her. I've never taught her a lot of 'tricks' but she does have some odd/funny little things she does that have evolved over the years because they've been repeated so often and have become 'trained' into her.

They're fascinating animals, so capable in some ways, and so daft in others Grin

fixtheironingboard · 03/05/2019 06:54

A hard day yesterday.

I don't think we're making much progress with toilet training at all and it is getting really frustrating. He's been with us a month now and he's still having as many indoor accidents as he was in the beginning. I'm taking him out every 20 minutes while awake, plus immediately after eating and sleeping and he will go outside - 1s and 2s - for which he gets praise and a little treat. And then go again, ten minutes later inside. During the day it seems to slow down a bit and he needs to go less often and there are fewer accidents, but in the evening we're taking him out every ten minutes for five minutes (I'm not joking) and he still managed to wee on the floor four times between 4 and 7pm last night.

It's getting very frustrating. I'm not expecting him to be perfect - he is still a baby and at 4k still a small dog, so he is going to have a small bladder, need to go often, and lack control. I get that. It's the fact that most of the training books say he won't learn and make the association unless I can make sure - through taking him out frequently - that the only place he goes is outside. I am doing that, it isn't physically possible for me to do it more unless he's outside all his waking hours (and that won't teach him either) and nothing is improving.

I wonder if I should crate him more. He never goes in the crate. He seems happy in the crate. But I didn't get a dog to have him locked up most evenings. He's such a happy little thing and we don't want to contain that.

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Wolfiefan · 03/05/2019 07:01

Wee accidents? Worth getting checked for a UTI.
I wouldn’t treat. Praise yes. But food treats can teach them to go little and often to get more food! Shock

Catsrus · 03/05/2019 07:29

After 30+yrs of puppies and rescue dogs I know the secret to stress free toilet training is no carpet in any area the dog uses ... sorry. My recent pup took 6 months to be reliable, some have taken longer, others less. He really is a baby - find a way to make the inevitable less stressful.

I agree no treats - the association will be building up between wee and treat.

My trainer (who is brilliant and has corrected loads of MY bad habits) would say to use words very carefully and precisely - I was saying "good girl" as encouragement, now I only say "good" when she does something right and tell her what she's done right.

So use a command word like "toilet" (Hearing dogs use the command "busy") and when he goes you say "yes. Good toilet".

A good trainer is worth their weight in gold. I had a brilliant one with my first two dogs and their training was superb. The dogs after that I just trained myself - but I got sloppy and lazy and forgot stuff. I took the recent two (rescue then pup ) to a local club who train to the KC Good citizen scheme - but internal politics lost them the decent trainers so I've switched to someone a bit further away who doesn't teach to that scheme but a more trad obedience one. Much better for me as she concentrates on teaching ME to get it right!

It's also very sociable - & great to see other dogs who are also confused by their owners 😉

BiteyShark · 03/05/2019 07:32

Agree with Wolfie stop with the treats now and just praise.

Maybe a bit controversial but as he is now older if you see him pee or poo inside I would now say 'ah' so he might stop and then grab him and run outside and then praise him outside if he continues. When mine was older I did do this a few times to stop him mid flow (not a nasty or telling off 'ah' but a 'surprise' type noise so he would stop). He might still pee/poo as you run outside but the praise outside seemed to help him understand that 'ah actually I just did it in the wrong place'. Otherwise it can take many weeks for some dogs to simply 'get it' so don't get despondent.

Wolfiefan · 03/05/2019 09:12

I used to hustle Wolfiepup out if she was peeing inside. Didn’t stop there being some pee inside but it sometimes meant some was outside. Hmm and it seemed to reinforce that outside was the place.

fixtheironingboard · 03/05/2019 11:34

Thanks everyone.

He is only allowed downstairs (except at night, when he sleeps in a crate in my bedroom) and downstairs is all tiled - so he isn't causing damage. It isn't really the constant mopping (I have some of that enzyme cleaner that's recommended as well as the zoflora that's recommended for pet odours) it's the sense that we're not making any progress.

No accidents at all today so far - everything in the garden on command.

I've also stopped giving him his little pieces of ham. I wonder if that was the problem. We never shouted or punished for him making a mistake in doors, but I noticed yesterday's accidents were right at our feet - as if he WANTED us to see him doing his 'weewees' (that's his command) - and I think he might have been after his ham.

Little get. He's sleeping now and will take him out right afterwards. My eyes are on him like a HAWK.

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fixtheironingboard · 03/05/2019 11:36

In other news: took him out on a drive last night to the river, where he could get a good off-lead run. It was raining when we got there (I wouldn't have minded) and he refused point blank to get out of the car. The kids called him 'princess dog' all the way home.

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SheeshazAZ09 · 03/05/2019 11:44

I've heard about a lot of dog owners reporting problems with commercial dog food as it contains a lot of grains, which upset the dog's digestion. The grains also have a lot of agrochemical contaminants as they are 'dried down' with herbicides before harvest and some are genetically modified, which are heavily sprayed with herbicides. Try feeding human quality meat/fish and a bit of rice and veg. It's more effort but hopefully can be combined with cooking your family meals if you are not veggie.

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