Justdogz

[NotEnoughTime]

Hi

Having read many stories on here re Puppy Farms I want to make 100% sure that I don't buy from these &^$%%&

I have found a website called Justdogz that I'm hoping to buy a Cockapoo puppy from (I know there are lots of people who don't think these are "proper" dogs but these are the breed we have decided on for our first family pet for various reasons). It looks legit to me but I don't have any experience in buying a puppy so would any of you experienced "doghouse" MN'ers have a look at their website/facebook page for me please? They also sell other breeds as well as Cockapoos and I'm sure someone told me once that this is a big no-no (though I have no idea why).

I would be really grateful for your advice.

Many thanks.

NET

Thank you all so very much for your wise words of wisdom and advice.

Hope to "see" you all on here again soon.

NET

Glad you're not going to have one of their puppies - puppy farmed, very minimal health testing, multiple different breeds and ditch their dogs after they've finished breeding. They sound awful.

If you're looking for that particular cross breed because of allergies, are you aware that you may well end up with a shedding dog that you're allergic to. You won't know what kind of coat the puppy will have until it's between 6 and 12 months old when the adult coat comes in. You are just as likely to get a shedder as a non-shedder. Perhaps look at actual non-shedding breeds and choose from one of those?

An online ad can be manipulated very easily, as can a visit to the breeder tbh. It's important to visit their premises, ask to see where the puppies are raised. Ask to see the mother with her puppies and to see the father. Have a look at the health test certificates done, and ask plenty of questions. I tend to ask about health, how they socialise the pups etc.

If a hypoallergenic breed is what you need there are other breeds to consider such as schnauzers, poodles. Discover dogs is on this month why not take a few allergy tablets and go chat to breeders :)

@NotEnoughTime I'm from that area, know of that breeder, and have checked their license out. They are not a puppy farm. Make sure you see mum and dad (which you will as they only use their own stud dogs).
Not going to get into the same old argument that all crossbreed breeders are puppy farmers. Fuck sake. Not everyone wants a pedigree or a rescue.

Thank you Nesssie

I've messaged you.

@NotEnoughTime
They use their own stud dogs and are licensed. Screams puppy mill.
Choose an actual breed and go to the breed club.

Define a puppy farmer?
I'll start...
Someone who puts profit above the health and welfare of the dogs. Someone who tries to dupe the public into thinking this is not the case.

Get a standard poodle!!! I have several family and friends that have them all from different "breeders" 🙄 and they are all loathsome wee shits and I absolutely love all animals. Obviously they are products of their environments but they all have temperament issues.

Standard poodles are not 'wee' in any way shape or form! They are large dogs, very different to a cockerpoo.

I never said they were wee Nessie I just think they are a better pet. Having had experience with several of both but thanks for pointing out the obvious.

I think that's a language misunderstanding, where I'm from 'wee' means small. So when you said 'wee shits' I assumed you meant small.

Haha sorry I'm in a right crap mood today I apologise for being a bit shitty.

I personally wouldn't progress getting a puppy from these guys.The things that would put me off:

• the name. Stupid names suggest a gimmicky business not a family concern, to me.
• breeding numerous breeds/crosses. I am not sure a family concern would breed multiple breeds (I mean in total, not referring to crossing breeds)
• the woeful lack of information about their breeding bitches. Just one photo, despite breeding numerous breeds. No information about her health, experience, temperament.
• the mention of colour in the sires, one red, one sable etc. This screams breeding for a specific colour combo and not for health or temperament.
• the above point is supported by the listing of exotic colours for all their puppies. Sod a "phantom" colour, I'd want rock solid health and great temperament.
• the lack of health test information for the parents
• the lack of any detail of their experience or reasons for breeding including a lack of saying specifically what they hope to get from the puppies (better breed standards, better working ability, better temperament, better health)
• the lack of any mention of the contract of sale, including no details about the lifetime support and return policy I would expect from a decent breeder, even a family one
• the multiple litters available at one time - raising a litter properly takes 24 hour care. Multiples are excessively hard work for anyone except people who are experienced and able to devote 24/7 to their dogs.

For the breeds they are dealing with (or, at least for cockers), there is an extensive choice of decent breeders out there for someone prepared to research, visit and wait for a puppy. For that reason alone, anything that caused me to say "is this alright?" would get a pass so I could look for something closer to perfect.

A quick Google search shows that they are licensed for 100 dogs, so out and out puppy farm.

Nesssie, genuinely in the face of that licence information (source below), how can you even begin to doubt that this is a puppy farm?

commercialsaleofpuppies.wordpress.com/2017/01/01/east-of-england/

You could consider a rescue from abroad. I have a gorgeous poodle cross (what she's crossed with I have no idea!) She has been no trouble, easy going and easy to train. Non shedding too

Get a standard poodle!!! I have several family and friends that have them all from different "breeders" 🙄 and they are all loathsome wee shits and I absolutely love all animals. Obviously they are products of their environments but they all have temperament issues - I can only assume that your family and friends have either poorly bred, poorly socialised, poorly trained or bored Standard Poodles. Ours have never been loathsome or had temperament issues. But that's because we understand the importance of well socialised, well trained dogs who are provided with stimulation and exercise each day. Imperative for such intelligent dogs. Other owners I know also have well trained and well socialised dogs, for the same reasons.

They are very intelligent. An unstimulated, untrained or underexercised poodle would be a total bloody nightmare.

Sorry I meant my family and friends have several cockerpoos that are loathsome wee shites with temperament issues that was my poor typing skills.

We have had 3 standard poodles and they were all beautiful natured one was in crufts!!

I will never understand why you would over look a poodle for a mixed breed that just might not be as hypoallergenic as the puppy mills like to suggest.

Also can I add that any bored unsocialised untrained dog would be a nightmare. There has been a lot of work put into the cockerpoos, two are great like babies no fault of their own but they obviously are the worst offenders however every single one has been an utter nightmare to train.

Not great* treated like babies

I'm glad you asked OP, and listened when you got the answer you didn't want. Way too many people get defensive and then carry on the puppy farm cycle by buying anyway.

But...just because you were bitten by a rescue dog doesn't mean all rescues are like that. I was bitten by a dog from a breeder, it has little to do with the origin of the dog and everything to do with socialisation. If anything, at least with older rescues, you can really see their personality. With puppies, even from reputable breeders, it is really the luck of the draw because you don't know what their adult personality will be. With a shelter dog, you can go and visit it several times, see what its like, see how well socialised it is, foster it for a while to see if it fits in with your family - I would never get anything other than a shelter dog, not just for charitable reasons, but because I truly believe it is safer and less risky.

Re cockerpoos - there are no actual breeders. Rescue one, or choose a different breed.

Mustang glad you corrected that .

We bought a cocker spaniel puppy from Justdogz. To all appearances he was a happy, healthy, well adjusted pup. With diarrhoea from the start we got him checked at the vets and his poo analysed. He was riddled with coccidia, a very high count . Our vet said it was down to poor management at the kennels and I should advise them that they needed to stop selling their pups until all were tested . They continued to advertise their puppies . Be careful when buying from breeding kennels . Our pup is cured and a lovely dog but has an extremely sensitive gut which I really hope won’t stay with him for the rest of his life.