Puppy with impetigo?

[TerfWarz]

We picked up our 8 week puppy yesterday, from a licensed breeder etc. She has many bumps and sores on her belly and back legs which we didn't really notice until we got home and she's also very dirty around her nether regions.

She's having her vet check tomorrow, but is there anything we need to do in the mean time? Google suggests it's impetigo, she keeps trying to nibble her back legs where the sores are.

Thank you.

This will probably be my last post on this as you are not listening to what I am saying.
The number of litters does not matter. It is a common misconception.
The law means that technically anyone breeding just one litter for profit should be licensed. That’s how my council operate- obviously we can’t catch everyone but we do our best.
We have many crossbreed breeders- cockapoos and labradoodles the main ones. Because that is the demand. Whether you like it or not, they are useful for people with allergies and combine good qualities of different breeds.
They breed maybe 2 litters a year, with well kept facilities and correct procedures. Of course there are the ones with kennels with 30+ dogs that have constant litters throughout the year- not ideal but unfortunately legal.
Because they are licensed we can ensure there is at least a year between the last litter being weaned and the second litter. And only 3 litter in a life. Of course the more responsible breeders may wait longer between litters.

What you have described above is an irresponsible breeder, possibly bordering on a puppy farm (but farms are a much larger scale and usually have a fake home and mum to show unsuspecting buyers). Not all breeders are like that, but you don’t see or hear about the hundreds of responsible breeders, giving a skewed opinion.

Cross breeds aren't necessarily suitable for allergy sufferers at all.
Legal shouldn't be the benchmark for what's acceptable.

The number of litters does not matter. It is a common misconception ....
Guidelines are there for a reason, and the number of litters is a welfare issue and does matter.

Nesssie you defend over breeding so vehemently I strongly suspect you are a breeder :(

@Bubble2bubble
On another thread this poster says they leave their dog alone for 8 hours a day. I suspect we will never have the same low standards of care as Ness.

The number of litters does not matter. It is a common misconception ....shock
Guidelines are there for a reason, and the number of litters is a welfare issue and does matter.

You’ve misunderstood- I meant it does not matter for licensing purposes. You are suppose to be licensed whether you have 1 litter or 5 litters.

And quite the opposite, I work in dog rescue, and am quite a believer in ‘adopt, don’t shop’. However I understand that not everyone wants a rescue and some choose to get a puppy. And this post became quite anti-breeder with some incorrect information that I wanted to clarify.
I was trying to reassure the op that she had done all she could be ensuring the breeder was licensed and puppy farms/irresponsible breeders at every clever and fool most buyers.

And I knew I was going to get slated for that Wolfie. Many owners do it just not many have the guts to admit it as they know the reception they will receive.
I work in animal rescue and spend my life dedicated to helping dogs. My dogs are spoilt and happy.
But I know the rules of mumsnet mean that I will be judged for the small snapshots of my life that I have shared..

Apologies, I did misunderstand.

Where I live, a licence is only required for anyone selling 3 litters or more a year. Licences are also issued to local puppy farmers who have 200+ breeding bitches so it us no guarantee of a well raised puppy, in fact usually the opposite.

“You are suppose to be licensed whether you have 1 litter or 5 litters.”

I knew that’s what you meant about the amount of litters.

But, very few people get licences if they’re under 5 litters, just like most people wait until they hit the threshold for VAT before registering or any other comparable threshold laws, people just don’t routinely register for things that are a hassle to do if they don’t have to.

All of this is fairly irrelevant for the OP anyway, as she already has a puppy - other than, there’s clearly a welfare issue with that puppy’s breeder and hopefully she’ll be able to do something about it as they are licensed.

Bubble2bubble- this isn’t where mumsnet needs an edit button as I probably didn’t make it that clear. I think the new government guidelines are being finalised this month to change the 3 litter law and make a vet inspection compulsory so hopefully that will help.

It’s strange/shocking how much it can vary around the country when we are all following the same guidelines!! I guess it is all down to the individual council which is not ideal.

Agreed tabula thisthread has slightly derailed, but mainly in trying to point out that this puppy has obviously not had the best start and the 'breeder' needs to be investigated.

'Licenced breeder' to me equals 'don't touch with a bargepole'

OP hope your pup got on well at the vets and will soon feel better.

Thanks all for continuing to post, I did indeed take puppy to the vets, it looks as though puppy might have an abnormal bladder as she is constantly wet and the rash appears to be from that. Vet has given antibiotics and steroid cream to see if that will do the trick but doesn't think it is likely to be an infection, she is going back in on Monday for ultrasound and monitoring.

Breeder was surprised at the news, admitted that with her always being with her litter that they hadn't noticed anything and when the vet checked her last week (before we picked her up) that the rash was from her having pink skin rather than being chocolate like the rest of the litter (Not sure how realistic that is or even if it means anything) They would take her back and offered us another pup in the future but really we are committed to this little life we brought home and to getting her healthy whatever that means. She is a clever little thing and a delight otherwise. And I get the feeling the pup would probably be destroyed if we handed her back.

Believe me we thought long and hard about how to get a dog for our family and thought that we had done the right thing by going through this breeder, we did indeed see and interact with both the parents, she is chipped, vaccinated, I have her father's papers, evidence of vet check and 4 week insurance. Vet says she is otherwise very well.

I'm not sure there is any ethical way to obtain a pet really, but we will do our best by this pup. We would have had a rescue in a heartbeat but with a young child we felt ultimately that a pup was the best option for our family.

She isn't otherwise well if she has an abnormal bladder. There is an ethical way to buy a pet. Go through the breed club. Meet breeders. Find the right match and wait patiently. Vet checking the parents isn't the point. Health tests (scans etc) should be done before deciding to breed. I'm sorry but I suspect if you did hand this pup back they would destroy it. As for offering a replacement? That screams puppy farmer. No decent breeder would just have a spare pup waiting in the wings.
I hope your story puts people off puppy farmers.

Seeing both parents is generally a bad thing too. Breeders who are breeding for the good of the breed use the most suitable dog genetically, even if he's miles away. Having the sire on the premises is usually just a way to cut down the cost of breeding through not having to pay a stud fee. Even the rare ethical crossbreed breeder wouldn't usually have the sire on the premises. Unless they are genuinely pets, which is very rare indeed, you need to be breeding quite a few dogs to justify keeping a male for the purpose.

Japanese.
The breeder won't be breeding for the good of the breed. This is a cross breed.

Thanks all, lesson learned.

Have you spoken to the pet insurance about how you would continue from your 4 weeks free into a proper policy still covering the pups and is now known problems?

You are pretty much tired into this insurer now, but hopefully they will continue to cover past the 4 weeks as it could save you a fortune in vets child's.

Hi wings, yes we have sorted the insurance. Unfortunately if it is what I think it night be from my internet research, it looks like it could be congenital and therefore not covered.

Ouch (that was from your purse), didn't realise that wouldn't be covered, good luck 🍀

poor puppy.

OP - if nothing else it sounds like this pup is lucky you are going to do right by her. Speak to your insurer tomorrow, some are better than others and it may be covered.

It does sound as it may not have been best breeder although you tried to do things correctly. Puppy farmers are often licensed as are puppy dealers and I have seen several that I am v surprised they were granted. Sometimes they are hiding activities, sometimes they just scrape along the line of the law and sometimes in ever decreasing Council services they just slip through the net - there isn't the time, money or staff to investigate.
There's also a huge problem with "backyard breeders" who deliberately breed 3-4 litters a year to fall under the radar.
Hot crosses are hugely popular with poor breeders as they can't be registered with the KC so are harder to trace numbers of litters and often sell for same price a KC registered pedigrees.
The law does state they need a licence if breeding as a business but what does that mean? Defra tried to say that Councils should push cases like this but it costs a lot of money to take someone to court - it's a criminal offence so beyond all reasonable doubt.
Y'honor I'm a responsible hobby breeder - I have a website, contract, huge charges because I'm being responsible and following KC guidelines etc etc. I don't actually know a council that has been successful in that, they all stick to the litter test (5 or more). The law is changing, reducing this to 3 or more (which it used to be...) and that may come in at the end of the year, Oct has been suggested but it doesn't really add much more. In fact as Councils could offer 3 year licences under the new act (and they totally will as it would save so much time and money) this could mean Premises are inspected only once every 3 years. climbs down off soapbox

All the best with your new pup OP, I hope it all works out for her. No matter where she came from, she's with you now

Thanks for your support, will know more on Monday hopefully. She's a lovely little creature.

How is the pup @TerfWarz.?