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Treat ideas for a fussy dog

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ThisIsTheFirstStep · 16/03/2018 10:57

My dog is very very fussy regarding food. Even if I withhold his breakfast before we go out, he won't take treats when we're out walking - or he will, but just as and when he feels like it. This isn't great because we're working hard to train him (he was in a rescue long-term and has a lot of issues and no training).

He will sometimes take something for a few days, then he gets bored and rejects it. We've tried mixing them up for a bit of novelty but he'll still just take what he feels like.We've tried only giving treats to him when we're out and never in the house - nothing.

We've tried: peanut butter/peanut butter flavoured things; chicken breast; every single dog treat we can find that isn't 100% preservatives and colouring; cheese; sweet potato; carrots; oranges and probably more. He'll take them sometimes and then just spit them out.

This isn't helped by the fact that we live in Asia and the market for dog treats here isn't regulated at all so I am quite wary of buying local dog treats since I really have no idea what could be in them.

He's not toy-oriented either.
The only thing he'll take semi-reliably is mackerel, but he needs at least an hour and a half of walking every day and we also take him out to a lot of different places and having oily stinky fingers for an hour and a half of the day is really not ideal.

Any other suggestions, preferably human-food based? Help a fussy little beast learn to behave well!

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ThisIsTheFirstStep · 16/03/2018 10:58

We'veed only giving treats to him when we're out and never in the house - nothing should be 'we've tried' obviously.

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FairfaxAikman · 16/03/2018 11:01

Liver cake = doggie crack

missbattenburg · 16/03/2018 11:07

You've tried a lot of the things I would suggest but some others not on your list...

  • Hot dogs (normal human ones cut up)
  • dried liver (put them in a low oven for about an hour then cool and cut up)
  • Roasted beef
  • Baking anchovies into your own biscuits so they taste of fish but are cleaner to handle
  • Squeezy cheese (primula)

Alternatively, there are techniques on how to build toy motivation. e.g. www.clickerdogs.com/createamotivatingtoy.htm or dogsdigdirt.com/secret-to-motivating/

I find the more excited I seem to give the dog the treat, the more excited he is about getting it. For toys, this is especially true if I pretend like he's not allowed it for a little while before offering it to him. He cannot resist.

Oh, and toys don't have to be toys. Mine LOVES socks and flannels and makes his own game of stealing them then trying to get you to play tug with them. That means he has his own 'toy' socks that we use which are really an old pair of thick christmas socks I have written off.

What breed is he?

namechange2222 · 16/03/2018 11:08

Little cubes of cheese

fourpawswhite · 16/03/2018 11:13

Yeah I agree with the suggestions. You need to find his high value treat. Liver cake, hot dog or cheese usually does it. Primula mine go crazy for. Would never have thought it.

Ebeneser · 16/03/2018 11:18

Do you have to give him treats? Maybe try another form of positive reinforcement. He might respond better to you making a big fuss of him if he does something you want him to; lots of strokes/scratches behind the ears/belly rubs, saying "good boy" like you would to a child etc.

I have a rescue dog, and it took a couple of months for her to get into a routine and to find a dog food she liked (she refuses to eat any form of biscuit or dried food still). She also had no idea of how to play with toys. Now that she knows her routine etc she is an absolute delight and her separation anxiety has been greatly reduced. She likes squeaky toys and has learnt how to play fetch.

Treat wise, she likes bones (don't give chicken bones though) and soft baked treats like this; www.petsathome.com/shop/en/pets/merch-groups/merch-groups/wainwrights-b-treats/wainwrights-grain-free-salmon-with-spinach-duo-dog-treats-140g
She also likes fruit. Maybe try some banana or apple (don't give him the core, it's bad for dogs). Also don't give him grapes.
www.rover.com/blog/11-fruits-veggies-good-dogs/

tabulahrasa · 16/03/2018 13:01

I’d have suggested liver cake, hot dogs and primula (if you can get it) too.

Liver cake you can also make with fish, as you mentioned mackerel.

In all honesty a lot of the things you mention aren’t hugely high value for a lot of dogs anyway, mine is very firmly of the opinion that peanut butter is not edible - I know some dogs love it, but he’s not convinced, lol.

So if you keep trying different things, you should hit on something.

ThisIsTheFirstStep · 16/03/2018 14:44

fair I had a look at the liver cake recipe, I'll have to try it. Thanks for the suggestion, liver might be stinky enough to tempt him.

miss Hotdogs and primula-type cheese aren't really available here, beef is so expensive we don't even eat it ourselves! I'll try liver (we have a dehydrator). I'm not sure about the fish biscuits - he won't take dried fish either, I think he really likes oily stuff. I do try to get him excited for treats, but as soon as we're outside, he's just not that focused on me that he notices. This is obviously something we're working on a lot too - but hard to do when he isn't interested in anything I have to offer him. Breed is unknown, he's a shelter dog, but some kind of Asian mix basically. He basically looks like a very small Old English Sheepdog.

He's also into socks but he's really not motivated by toys. We've tried a lot to get him into them, and he will play inside, but outside it's a different story no matter what we do. Once we're at the park or whatever, he has really good focus, follows us, has great recall, will chase the ball and do nosework and stuff - but when he's distracted (normally by other dogs, by wanting to sniff EVERYTHING and when we're on the way to the park) he has no focus at all and just isn't interested in anything we offer him. He'll do sit and stay when we tell him, but he won't take a treat at all. He won't look at a toy. He won't look at us. I wonder if I could somehow get him interested in toys...there must be a way we haven't tried yet.

name Tried cheese, as in the OP. He'll take it at home (in fact, he loves it) but outside, he's not interested.

four yup, that's why I posted, to try to see what others give their dogs. Trying to find what he values is exactly what I'm trying to do.

ebeneser he's not a snuggly dog at all. He loves to be near us, but not much of a one for fussing. It doesn't bother him, but he doesn't respond much to it either. Like I said, shop-bought treats are a bit hard because of where we live and lack of regulation, and sure, I know not to give him grapes, I've owned dogs my whole life. Just having a bit of an ish food-wise with this one.

tabhula I'd say most dogs I've had favoured either cheese, chicken breast or some other kind of meat so I would count those as high value. No hot dogs or primula type cheeses here unfortunately, but I think I will try liver cake. He loves peanut butter, but only in the house - outside, meh.

Thanks for the ideas all. It's really starting to frustrate me as he has a lot of potential, but it's really hard to reinforce his good behaviour when he won't be rewarded for it.

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ThisIsTheFirstStep · 16/03/2018 14:45

Sorry if I seem dismissive also, it's just really disheartening when we've tried so many things and then he'll take them once or twice and then it's back to square one. Dog stuff is expensive here, especially when we import it, and it's really annoying to waste so much money on stuff he doesn't like. I don't mind spending money on him at all, but I do when a lot of it is just getting given to friends' dogs because he doesn't like it.

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Elphame · 16/03/2018 14:51

If he's not really into food treats or toys then you may need to try and think outside the box.

Elfpup responds really well to lots of totally over the top praise as well as the more material rewards. You do look a complete idiot though!

ThisIsTheFirstStep · 16/03/2018 15:02

elp Like I said in my post above, he is not the kind of dog that likes praise that much either. Neither inside or outside. Toys and treats inside are fine, but he's definitely not a dog that looks for a lot of attention of that sort.

We've had him for over six months now and although he is doing a lot better, it's still hard to find stuff he really loves. He was in the shelter for a long long time, so he definitely has a lot of issues and he definitely doesn't really KNOW what he likes, outside of long walks, being beside us and chewing soft toys. But outside, it's like being outside is enough for him, so he's just not interested in anything else I have to offer.

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Elphame · 16/03/2018 15:15

Could he be taught that treats are "good" and part of the fun of a walk? I have a friend who adopted a rescue who'd refuse treats outside and doesn't play with toys.

A couple of walks with Elfpup (who does respond to treats as well as praise) and she now thinks treats are the best thing ever. She had to have his though from my treat bag (!) but now she'll take them eagerly from her own owner. They have to be high value though - dried lung or roast chicken!

missbattenburg · 16/03/2018 15:16

If he doesn't like toys, are there games he likes?

For example, as we go through the teenage years, my springer's recall is getting a bit... hit and miss, shall we say? However, for whatever reason he cannot seem to resist a game of "BooYa". This is game we he invented in which he rushes at me while I hold me hand out. He jumps at the last minute and bashes my hand with his nose while I yell "BooYa!".

God knows why but he seems to fun this the most fun thing ever so when traditional recall is not working, I try holding my hand out and seeing if that will work. I can then pair it with calling him back to me.

Weirdly, one of our other dogs will go nutso for pasta and rice so maybe strong tasting things aren't the way to go with this one. Carrying out a pouch of cooked pasta might not be brill but might be better than a pocket full of mackerel.

Another option might be to use what he does like doing as a reward (I think it's the premack principle). A simple example is having the dog sit before letting him off lead. His freedom becomes the reinforcer. Whilst you are walking to the park this might be trickier because presumably you cannot let him off lead but maybe there are other things he likes, such as sniffing a lamp post? Could you have him perform a behaviour to be allowed to sniff?

What about changing his normal food so he only gets one large meal at night - that way he might be hungrier during the day for treats? You might not have to do that forever, just enough to get his training underway. If one large meal won't suit him then a smaller breakfast?

You don't come across as dismissive, just understandably frustrated Smile

missbattenburg · 16/03/2018 15:20

Sorry, just to add more ideas...

If he some herder breed in him then could a game of chase work? As in, you run and he has to catch you? He might not be able to resist that. Especially if you are squeeling with glee and running erratically.

Warning: you WILL look like an idiot Grin

ThisIsTheFirstStep · 16/03/2018 15:22

elph It could be that he might learn to love treats from others - we are trying to socialise him more. Dried lung! I might have to have a look for that.

miss The Booya game sounds fun and like something he might like. I'll have to try that. I haven't tried pasta or rice, I'll give that a go. Anything is better than mackerel fingers especially when it's cold (oily, frozen, stinky fingers yay).

We use his freedom or desire to sniff around a LOT to try to train him eg making him sit when he pulls to go and sniff. That does work to some extent and he definitely pulls less these days.

One large meal could work for a bit too. He has a really small breakfast and dinner these days (last week or so) as we try to get him interested in ANY treat when we're out but he's still resisting!

Thanks for understanding my frustration...it sucks.

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ThisIsTheFirstStep · 16/03/2018 15:24

miss yup, he definitely loves to chase me (not my husband though, which is another issue - he will come to me but never my husband who admittedly doesn't have the patience to keep trying stuff if it doesn't work first time.) Not cos he's a herding breed though, he just loves to have me in his sights at all times. No problem with looking like an idiot, as the only white lady in my town, everyone thinks whatever I do is just some weird white person thing anyway.

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missbattenburg · 16/03/2018 15:26

everyone thinks whatever I do is just some weird white person thing anyway

I lived in India for 18 months. I totally get this Grin

tabulahrasa · 16/03/2018 15:37

“I'd say most dogs I've had favoured either cheese, chicken breast or some other kind of meat so I would count those as high value”

More what I meant is that it’s the dog that decides whether they’re high value, or not...so while they’re totally reasonable things to try and expect to be of high value, sometimes dogs just go - nope.

Have you tried socks? If he likes them I mean, I’ve taken a sock on a walk before to use as a reward.

Also if he likes sniffing, could you work that in as a reward? Because it sounds a bit like you have with pulling anyway.

FairfaxAikman · 16/03/2018 16:53

@ThisIsTheFirstStep top tip if you make liver cake - wash the blender in cold water first!

joystir59 · 18/03/2018 13:57

Raw chicken wings or other lamb or beef bones but not leg bones or other load bearing bones. Dogs love crunching up a meaty bone

Balearica · 18/03/2018 22:09

Yes dried liver is the answer. One of my dogs is not at all food driven and I spend my life trying to keep her weight up - she eats better than the humans do - but she loves dried liver chunks and eats them every time.

ThisIsTheFirstStep · 19/03/2018 03:20

Well we managed to find some American liver treats this weekend and he seemed to
like those so we’ll see how that goes for a while. Thanks for all the help!

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