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Kellys Kennels

38 replies

dimsum123 · 14/03/2018 15:19

We are totally novice potential puppy owners. We are considering a cross breed puppy from somewhere such as Kelly's kennels but have no idea if this is advisable and if not then where else to find a suitable puppy.

Neither myself nor DH have ever owned a dog before. We have 2 DCs age 12 and 15. Ideally we would like a family dog, small to medium size, minimal shedding and cute!

We have a friend with a Yorkshire Terrier who we are all in love with (well me and the DCs) but DH would like a slightly bigger dog.

Please help. Any advice at all will be gratefully received!

www.kellyskennels.co.uk/pups/cross-breed/

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dimsum123 · 14/03/2018 15:20

www.kellyskennels.co.uk/pups/cross-breed/

Hope link works!

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tabulahrasa · 14/03/2018 15:44

Anyone selling multiple litters like that is a puppy farm.

If you’re not bothered about exactly what breed traits you get, go to a rescue...

Otherwise work out which breed suits you, go to the breed club web page and start there to look for a decent breeder.

Lonecatwithkitten · 14/03/2018 15:47

I have a non-shedding cross bred, but as a vet I knew absolutely what tests and what hybrid level I was looking for.
The place you link to has so many breeds that they are one of two things a retailer for other breeders (puppy farms) or a puppy farm themselves.
There are pedigree dogs who meet your criteria minature poodle, schnauzer and border terrier are just three. Possibly narrowing down a breed you would like, contacting the breed club for a breeder list and going from there would be the best start.

GinIsIn · 14/03/2018 15:50

That’s the most obvious of obvious puppy farms

dimsum123 · 14/03/2018 15:51

OK thanks, that's helpful.

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GinIsIn · 14/03/2018 15:55

I really would suggest that as you are happy to have a cross breed, go and visit your local dogs trust. Meet lots of dogs, and find the one that you gel with. You’ll know when you meet the one that’s belongs to you!

Bubble2bubble · 14/03/2018 16:47

Kellys Kennels is a puppy farm. I was immediately blocked from their FB page for asking how many breeding bitches they kept and if it was possible to see the pups with their mother.

Judging by the gushing comments from their customers they evidently dupe a lot of people.

If you do a bit of google searching you will find reports of them selling imported pups as well.

missbattenburg · 14/03/2018 16:49

This is just the kind of hell-on-earth place this petition seeks to have banned: petition.parliament.uk/petitions/213451

I very much hope they succeed.

OP, you have a nice, clear idea of the kind of dog you want but are open to the breed. This is brilliant for a rescue dog (or puppy). Why not talk to your local shelters to get an idea of what dogs they have waiting for homes?

If you really want to buy a puppy then please consider a pure breed - it is so much easier to find a good breeder of pure breeds than cross breeds. That's not to say all pure breed breeders are good - unfortunately they are not. It's just that good breeders have good reputations and good reputations tend to be built around single breeds.

There are some great breed selectors online that can help you choose, such as : www.thekennelclub.org.uk/services/public/findabreed/Default.aspx

Alternatively, add some more detail here and we can try and help suggest breeds...

  • How much exercise can you offer the dog and what kind of exercise?
  • How much grooming do you want to do?
  • How much training do you want to do and do you want a dog you can just train the basics then live with or one you can keep on doing different types of training with?
  • How often will it be left alone?
  • Will you take the dog on holiday with you or leave it with someone else/a dog sitter etc?
Shambolical1 · 14/03/2018 16:49

Had a look at that website.

Pugaliers! Way to put two of the least healthy breeds of dog together and hoping two wrongs make a right, or more likely, not caring either way.

Eek! Avoid.

Whitney168 · 14/03/2018 17:07

Kelly's Kennels are licensed for 15 breeding bitches and 2 males in Lhasa Apso, Cocker Spaniel, West Highland White, Schnauzer, Scottish Terrier (nearly all classic 'farmed' breeds).

By the look of the website and the number/variety of puppies available, every one of this bitches will be constantly in whelp to whatever dog passes by until they are knackered, at which time they will be disposed of in some manner or other, hopefully not too unsavoury.

Puppy farm, as others have said. No direct reflection on the OP, but I honestly don't understand how people aren't 'getting' this now.

Shambolical1 · 14/03/2018 17:58

So, Whitney168, where are all the maltishons, morkies, cavapoos, shipoos, poopoos and crappipups coming from, since they won't come from any of their 'licensed' breeds?

Gasp! Must have been brought by the Dog Fairy in a shower of sprinkles.

I don't understand how people don't get it, either, reading reviews on Google and Facebook about how well looked after the pups are and how clean are the pens... Not realising those are the survivors, or what truly rubbish lives the breeding bitches lead, or that those bitches could be in Hungary or the west of Ireland, or anywhere, and their pups smuggled in, under age for vaccination or passport and at risk of all sorts of infection.

Whitney168 · 14/03/2018 18:34

Oh I agree entirely, Shambolical1, tip of the iceberg I have no doubt!

I'm sure the pens they show people are super. The ones out the back, not so much ... Sad. Then consider where any stock they buy in may come from and it makes me sick to my stomach.

dimsum123 · 14/03/2018 19:19

Hi, thanks for all of your replies. I was a bit wary of KK but not knowing the first thing about buying a puppy I really have no idea where to start looking.

To answer some of your questions -

  • We would be able to go for walks at least twice a day, probably for about hour at a time.

DH works from home 2 days a week and I work 3 days a week and we could arrange our days so somebody is at home every day. Whole family will be home at weekends and the DCs during their school hols.

We do like going abroad on holidays and this is one reason I was reluctant to get a dog even though the DCs were begging constantly. But we have 3 sets of neighbours who we know very well and they could look after our dog whilst we were away so I feel that will be OK.

Re training, I'm actually not sure what you mean besides toilet training and recall and 'sit' etc?

Again re grooming, I have no idea what's typical or average? I was thinking we'd have to wash him once a week and clean paws etc after walks. What other grooming is necessary?

I am open to looking at rescue shelters but am struggling to find one nearby that has puppies. We are in London. Battersea seem to have older dogs mostly and as we have no dog experience whatsoever I do not want a dog that has been treated badly as we are not experienced enough to deal with any issues it may have.

My neighbour recommended Many Tears dog rescue which is in Wales. They have a dog from there but I feel we won't know what we're getting in terms of potential health issues etc as often they do not know what some of the cross breeds are.

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dimsum123 · 14/03/2018 19:22

www.manytearsrescue.org

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userxx · 14/03/2018 20:07

I'd really think twice about a puppy, they are such hard work. Don't write off older dogs, a decent rescue will match you with the right dog.

dimsum123 · 14/03/2018 20:09

user, that's fine but how do I find the right rescue centre? The one I mentioned above just lets you choose one from their website.

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Floralnomad · 14/03/2018 20:15

Battersea do get pups it’s worth getting the interview part out of the way and then keeping in touch with them regularly to see what they have in . We got our pup from them 7 yrs ago and he’s fabulous , often pups never make it as far as the main kennels or the website because they are all snapped up before it gets to that stage . When we went there was nothing suitable and we asked at the desk and they had 2 pups not on display / not advertised that we could choose from .

Floralnomad · 14/03/2018 20:17

If you are prepared to travel I’d look at EGLR , they have lovely lurcher types and use foster homes for their pups so the house training etc is all started .

Jaxinthebox · 14/03/2018 20:19

Please dont use KK - but YES to rescue. There are plenty around who have good reputations and offer back up.

Start be looking locally to where you are, or if you have a specific breed in mind contact that rescue. Many Tears has lots of dogs but so do breed specific rescue... or a fallen angel from Hearing Dogs or Guide Dogs.

dimsum123 · 14/03/2018 20:42

OK thanks, will have a look at the places you have suggested. The only slight issue is that I am being a little fussy about 'looks'. After falling in love with my friend's Yorkshire Terrier I really really want something very similar, small, cute, fluffy and cuddly.

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userxx · 14/03/2018 21:09

Looks? I always fall in the love with the ugliest and oldest ones. I've never been swayed by cuteness and beauty. I'm sure you will find the right dog, it's just takes time.

dimsum123 · 14/03/2018 21:20

user, I am swayed by 'cuteness' and 'fluffiness' although of course personality and temperament are important. I just could not imagine having a greyhound for eg.

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reallyanotherone · 14/03/2018 21:27

Have a look at little angels rescue. They mainly focus on small dogs, and are rare in that their process is to have an “adoption file” for each dog. You are home checked and approved, then you can request to be added to a dogs file. When the dog is ready to be rehomed, they pick the most suitable home.

Dogs trust and other big rescues operate a first come first served- you see a dog before anyone else, reserve it, then the home checks are done.

Honestly though, from what you say it sounds like a staffy would be perfect, and there are shedloads to choose from in rescues.

And yes, kk is a complete and utter puppy farm. Generally anyone offering “designer crosses” is likely to be a backyard breeder or puppy farmer.

Be aware of “stunt” bitches and homes- where people are paid to sell puppies from their homes. They will have a dog, not the mother, who they will present as the picture of health with a succession of puppies.

Be very, very careful.

AvocadosBeforeMortgages · 14/03/2018 21:30

We do like going abroad on holidays and this is one reason I was reluctant to get a dog even though the DCs were begging constantly. But we have 3 sets of neighbours who we know very well and they could look after our dog whilst we were away so I feel that will be OK.

Have you checked that they would be happy to look after your dog? It's a big ask! It's always worth having a back up option - for me, DF does much of the dog sitting when I have to go on business trips, but I do use a local trainer / sitter to fill in the gaps.

Re training, I'm actually not sure what you mean besides toilet training and recall and 'sit' etc?

Socialisation is a big part of what puppies need - getting them out and about and having positive experiences from an early age, so that they can face the world with confidence. There's a surprisingly short window in which to get them socialised.

Good quality training classes are a good place to start; Dogs Trust run some nationwide (not just in their centres) that are open to all and have a good reputation www.dogstrustdogschool.org.uk/dog-school/

Again re grooming, I have no idea what's typical or average? I was thinking we'd have to wash him once a week and clean paws etc after walks. What other grooming is necessary?

Depends on the breed and individual. My short haired dog requires very minimal brushing, but is a mud magnet and at muddy times of year can require a water-only rinse in the bath after almost every walk. A shampoo bath every week would likely cause skin problems. Some dogs require professional clipping, some require nail clipping (mine gets enough exercise on tarmac to wear them down naturally), some need anal glands expressing...

I am open to looking at rescue shelters but am struggling to find one nearby that has puppies. We are in London. Battersea seem to have older dogs mostly and as we have no dog experience whatsoever I do not want a dog that has been treated badly as we are not experienced enough to deal with any issues it may have.

Don't discount an older rescue dog. Many have had great lives but a change in circumstances means the previous owner can no longer keep them - a change in working hours, loss of home, relationship breakdown etc. etc. Relatively few come in due to abuse / neglect. I don't know much about Battersea, but I do know that Dogs Trust have particularly strong behavioural support if you ever do run into any issues.

My neighbour recommended Many Tears dog rescue which is in Wales. They have a dog from there but I feel we won't know what we're getting in terms of potential health issues etc as often they do not know what some of the cross breeds are.

They're a foster based rescue, which means that the dogs are looked after in family homes by experienced dog owners, while they're waiting for new homes. That allows them to be assessed as to their character, have some foundation training put in place, and to be matched to a suitable new home. It's in their interests to find the right home for the right dog - both for the dog's sake, and because they don't want the dog to be returned unnecessarily.

That gives you a dog from a source where it has been assessed as an individual and matched to you from a responsible source. Your chances of a good match are far higher with a dog from Many Tears than a puppy, where you have very little idea what you're getting beyond the confines of the breed (or breeds, if you're looking at a cross).

Many Tears does have a good reputation and are certainly worth considering.

OK thanks, will have a look at the places you have suggested. The only slight issue is that I am being a little fussy about 'looks'. After falling in love with my friend's Yorkshire Terrier I really really want something very similar, small, cute, fluffy and cuddly.

Small, cute and fluffy dogs do come into rescue - but they tend to be snapped up quickly. Get registered with several rescues and if you settle on a specific breed(s), get in touch with the breed rescues too. As others have mentioned, puppies are often snapped up before they make it onto the websites. So long as the temperament is right and it's a good fit for your family, even if you were to get a dog that's mid-sized, mildly fugly, short haired and only a little bit cuddly... I'll guarantee you that within a few days you will have fallen in love with the dog and it will be your dog and the apple of your eye. It happened to me - mine is a cross that found his way to me rather than being chosen. Two breeds I never would have chosen, not exceptionally cute, not even slightly fluffy... but he's mine and I love him.

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